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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-09-24 06:55 pm

[ SECRET POST #3186 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3186 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Steven Universe]


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[Kushiel's Legacy and Harry Potter]


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04.
[Gravity Falls]


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[Lacuna Coil]


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06. [huge]
[Youtube Sam and Nia]


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07. [huge]
[Austin Mahone]


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08.
[Eddie Izzard]


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[Worm]


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10. http://i.imgur.com/IOyJzu9.jpg
[Kristen Bell, House of Lies, OP warned for nudity]


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11. http://i.imgur.com/zanEaAh.jpg
[The Great Mouse Detective, linked for porn (illustrated, furry)]











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If I wanted to get into comic books...

(Anonymous) 2015-09-24 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Where should I start? I'm aware of superheroes and horror as genres, and I'm generally open to both of those. I just don't want to jump in the middle of a storyline and be all confused. Googling did not help me decide. Help.

Re: If I wanted to get into comic books...

(Anonymous) 2015-09-24 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Start with a complete, independent graphic novels. That will give you the chance of jumping into the media to see if you like it. Some suggestions:

Sandman by Neil Gaiman
Maus by Art Spiegelman
Watchmen

OP

(Anonymous) 2015-09-25 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Sandman has been recommended to me more than once, and is probably why I keep thinking I need to get into this stuff, but wow is it expensive. Hmmm is it an ongoing thing or a finished story?

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2015-09-25 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Go to your local library to see if they have it or can get an inter-library loan. Finished, afaik.
cenobitic_anchorite: (Default)

Re: OP

[personal profile] cenobitic_anchorite 2015-09-25 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Sandman is finished. There is a mini going on right now called Overture, but there's absolutely no need to worry about that. This is also a series that's almost always in an okay public library.
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Re: If I wanted to get into comic books...

[personal profile] philippos42 2015-09-25 02:23 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with this except for one thing:

Please stop recommending Watchmen. It's sort of a parody of an entire genre, not an introduction to it.

As for the other two:
Maus is good if a bit visually weird in places; it's rooted in underground comix.
Sandman is...a lot of stories in a series. I'm not that enthusiastic about Gaiman myself, but if you like weird horror you might like it.

Re: If I wanted to get into comic books...

(Anonymous) 2015-09-24 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
For Marvel and DC, I'd reccommend looking into the Showcase Presents and Essential Marvel books. They collect the earliest stories for many of Marvel and DC's central characters, so they work as a good introductory point if you want to see where these characters are coming from before jumping into the more confusing stuff.

Re: If I wanted to get into comic books...

(Anonymous) 2015-09-24 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
don't read superheroes and skip into the good stuff instead
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Re: If I wanted to get into comic books...

[personal profile] cenobitic_anchorite 2015-09-24 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Superheroes can have good quality arcs, just as much as an indie can crawl up their own butthole with their own self-importance. It's all preferences.

It's just that a bad superhero arc is so much showier. :P
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Re: If I wanted to get into comic books...

[personal profile] cenobitic_anchorite 2015-09-24 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Trades are *usually* cut into their respective arcs, so starting with a volume 1 of some kind is a base. Beyond that, whooooo, okay, let's take a seat together.

Is there something you like? A superhero or type of comic story you're curious about? What do you enjoy reading normally? You say horror, there's things like Hellboy, of course (Seed of Destruction is its volume 1), or do you prefer gorier things?

It can all be narrowed down depending on what you think you might enjoy, like any other media.

OP

(Anonymous) 2015-09-25 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
My only exposure thus far has been in the form of movies and TV, Batman, Walking Dead, etc. I don't know much of anything about Hellboy aside from seeing the movie trailer while flipping channels. As far as horror in general goes, I prefer the scary over the gore... in movies. I don't know how live action translates to comic book. I'm very out of my element here.
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Re: OP

[personal profile] cenobitic_anchorite 2015-09-25 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
Psychological stuff, gotcha.

Trying some Batman isn't as hard as you think, if you want to take a whack at him. There *can* be some wrinkles, though because DC has a nasty habit of tying together all the bat family titles without making it clear in the trades what's going on - I have problems reccing Batgirl to people over this, because around the third New 52 trade it gets weird.

(don't worry about what 'new 52' means yet)

A lot of arcs, all you need to know is the general gist. Batman: Year One, or The Long Halloween are both really good classics and don't need any other setups, really. Long Halloween in particular has a bit of both noir and horror to it, with really stylized art.

You might try a trade of Hellboy, but considering what you've said, you might actually give Locke & Key a shot. It's dark fantasy with some horrific elements, and it's as much about the characters as the weirdness going on. Not super-gory, and it's written by a guy with good literary horror chops (Joe Hill). Just follow the trade numbers and you're good.

More and more libraries carry trades now, btw, and that makes for an easy and cheap way to test some stuff out.

OP

(Anonymous) 2015-09-25 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Locke and Key looks intriguing. And I guess I haven't been to the library in a while. I'm definitely going to have to look and see what they have now. Thanks.

Re: If I wanted to get into comic books...

(Anonymous) 2015-09-24 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
This is super vague cause the thing is: comic books are a medium. This would be like asking "If I wanted to get into TV where would I start." It depends on a lot of things. What kind of stories do you like? How much time do you want to put into a series? Do you want something that ties into other stories, or stands alone?

Re: If I wanted to get into comic books...

(Anonymous) 2015-09-25 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
^THIS

OP, is there a cool comic or bookstore near you? Head over there, find someone you can talk to who works there and tell them, "I like this genre and this sort of story." If you're open to new stuff, tell them that, too. If there's anything you don't want to read, be upfront about that as well.

Good luck! Comics are an awesome medium! :D

OP

(Anonymous) 2015-09-25 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
There is a store, but I understand it to be a bit cliquey, so if/when I do go, I want to try to have some idea of what I'm talking about so I don't make a total fool of myself. Just half of one.

Re: If I wanted to get into comic books...

(Anonymous) 2015-09-25 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
there's an inherent problem in asking someone who admits to not knowing about a topic, what they like and dislike about that topic
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Re: If I wanted to get into comic books...

[personal profile] cenobitic_anchorite 2015-09-25 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
Except that there's elements to the topic shared with similar topics where a good employee can draw from that for recommendations.

OP

(Anonymous) 2015-09-25 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
I like all kinds of stories, which is why I didn't try to narrow it down that much. I can't say that I won't like something, really, until I try it, and I confused myself trying to pin down what I'm looking for. I just like the idea of comic books. I've read very few of them, though, and not that recently, so I'm not sure what I'm looking for. If it's something I like, I'd be compelled to spend more time on it. I like character driven things, if that helps? But not like huge casts, more just exploration of psyches and stuff like that. Umm. Tie ins usually confuse me if I don't know the other storyline, so mostly standalone, I guess.
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Re: OP

[personal profile] cenobitic_anchorite 2015-09-25 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Picking up over here, if you want to try a superhero, Wonder Woman's lately been very good and pretty easy to get into. Start with a Vol 1 trade called 'Blood' by Brian Azzarello, you can come in totally fresh on a storyline that doesn't require prior knowledge of anything - that's something I got my partner onto.

You could also give Saga vol 1 (Brian K Vaughn) a shot - that one's sci-fi and the cast will grow, but it's so gradual and interesting that it stays easy to follow. Emotional stuff that definitely looks into its characters.
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Re: If I wanted to get into comic books...

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2015-09-25 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
Trade paperbacks and omnibus collections.
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Re: If I wanted to get into comic books...

[personal profile] chrys 2015-09-25 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
For newer books, you'll generally be okay as long as you start at a #1 issue. Image books are the easiest and many have #1s for free on Comixology so you can try out many and see what you like. Lazarus is amazing, in my opinion.

For Marvel and DC, yeah, you're certainly gonna need rec lists. And for that you need to give us some idea of what you'd like to try.

Re: If I wanted to get into comic books...

[personal profile] philippos42 2015-09-25 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
Nightschool by Svetlana Chmakova is supernatural action-adventure in an urban fantasy/horror world. Some people might be annoyed by the ending, and it has a lot of less developed characters which may make it hard on some readers, but there's some clever stuff.

Human Target: Chance Meetings by Peter Milligan and Edvin Biuković (Sorry for the Amazon link; I am not recommending you buy from Amazon.) I just reread this last night. It's too British in places; some of the characters are parodies of Americans rather than Americans, if that makes sense. There are some bad-but-minor plot holes in the third chapter; one because someone chose to cut and transition to another scene at a striking moment instead of showing the embarrassing seconds afterward. So, it's more of a mess than I remembered. But Edvin Biuković did a pretty solid job on the art, and it both has some trippy psychological stuff and manages to untie it and get to a surprisingly unambiguous ending. (I think.)
There are more Milligan Human Target stories, but I haven't read them. Here's a review: http://www.shinyshelf.com/2011/03/22/peter-milligan-human-target/

Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi: Not superheroes, not horror, just a memoir of an Iranian girl in the time of the rise of the Islamic Republic.

Of the superheroes, I like Captain Marvel, the current one, "Carol" to her fans. In the last few years, they've changed the artists, they've restarted the numbering a few times, and there's one issue that's just part of an X-Men crossover. So...you should probably get the trades (that is, trade paperback collections), anyway: I started with the issues collected as "Higher, Further, Faster, More," which is the most recent "volume one" until the next "volume one." Honestly, their packaging is terrible. But these issues aren't terribly crossover-heavy, thankfully, and Kelly Sue DeConnick and David Lopez are really cool. (And...I think they're off the book as of this November and the fourth #1 in three years.)

[Note: If you follow Carol, know that "Captain Marvel and the Carol Corps" is...really weird. I think it's still coming out in floppy form, so I don't know what it's going to be collected as. But it's part of the "There is only Secret Wars" hot mess that Marvel got into this year, and so...it's particularly surreal for a Carol story.]

And then, and then, Rocket Girl by Brandon Montclare & Amy Reeder is an Image Comics series with time travel and stuff, and I like it, but I think the creators are having a really hard time financially. I'm supposed to have a trade of it by now, and I don't know what happened.
Edited 2015-09-25 03:01 (UTC)
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Re: If I wanted to get into comic books...

[personal profile] philippos42 2015-09-25 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, also Yotsuba&!. Always.