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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-03-18 04:08 pm

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(Anonymous) 2017-03-18 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't get the "child-coded" part. Is fandom saying that the smaller/shorter person in a pairing is a child? Is every pairing seen as a parent/child pseudo-incest role or something? I feel like I am completely misreading this, but I'm confused.

The rest of it I get. But eh, at least they're writing your preference. Why care about the motivation? Unless it shows through in the writing, I guess.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-18 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
People say a million different things, and we look at it and combine it all into "social justice warriors hate freedom" or something.

What 'child-coded' is supposed to mean is that a character has a bunch of characteristics and traits that are strongly associated with children regardless of their actual age - to give the standard example, when you have a 3000 year old vampire who happens to look and behave exactly like a 12 year old. That shouldn't apply to any fandom but people sometimes lose the nuance. Especially in anime fandom I guess.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-18 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
That's ridiculous. Adults can have child-like habits and characteristics, but they're still adults.

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(Anonymous) 2017-03-18 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, but they mostly don't apply it to 3000 year old vampires that look like children. They apply it to a short 30-year-old. Or a small-breasted adult woman. Or (ridiculously) John from BBC Sherlock for some unknown reason. It's just another stupid shipwar tactic.

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[personal profile] kaijinscendre 2017-03-18 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Bah! Who cares why they write it (I like size/power difference fics with either character dominating). Just enjoy it. :D

(Anonymous) 2017-03-18 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure what's confusing me more... the concept that short = child, or the concept that MCU Tony Stark would be the "child-coded" partner in a relationship with a man who is 25+ years his junior. Tumblr is weird.
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[personal profile] kaijinscendre 2017-03-18 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
It is very weird.
Edited 2017-03-18 21:02 (UTC)

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(Anonymous) 2017-03-18 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I was thinking the same.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-18 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I think applying the concept to that relationship is misguided, but also, it would apply to Tony not Cap because Cap is automatically more mature than any other character. That's his actual superpower.

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(Anonymous) 2017-03-18 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't get the "coded" concept in itself, period. Child coded, autistic coded, Jewish coded, whatever, to me it just looks like Tumblr is making up things again.

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[personal profile] bur 2017-03-18 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Good grief.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-18 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
That's my kink too! *fist bump*

Are there seriously people who think that there's something problematic about a size difference between two adult characters of the same age? what???

Anyway I don't quite get your anxiety here because presumably the people who write it enjoy it as well. And if they're really strange people who are managing to write good fic for a dynamic they don't enjoy, then there's more for those of us who do! Why does that make you feel weird??

(Anonymous) 2017-03-18 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
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*fistbump* It's something I've seen blow up weirdly often. Watson/Sherlock is fine but Sherlock/Watson is pedo, Hux/Kylo Ren is fine, Kylo Ren/Hux is pedo.

So it's kind of like finding out they ship your NOTP in another fandom, I feel awkward not knowing if they're active in harassing people who ship stuff the wrong way. I have no problem with Steve/Tony, it just doesn't push my kinks the same way. I'd feel kind of guilty kudoing and feeding into that complex, you know?

I also stumbled some with untagged stuff that was very Morality Fandom, like an entire chapter dedicated to Consent 101 and side-characters who are demiromantic asexual genderfluid etc. which is what made the connection click for me.

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(Anonymous) 2017-03-18 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Lol, you feeling weird about that is actually almost as stupid as 'child-coded as dominant = less problematic' thing in the first place... almost. Just like what you like and ignore the idiots of fandom, and if you can't do that, enjoy the fact you're getting your rocks off to fic someone is desperately trying to 'deproblematize'.
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[personal profile] tabaqui 2017-03-18 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh dear gods. Fandom, stop being your own worst enemy!

(I rather love this trope, too.)
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[personal profile] feotakahari 2017-03-18 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
If a character is coded as a child, then shouldn't the creepiness of putting them in a sexual relationship be irrelevant to whether they're the top or not? (I'm thinking of "loli" characters in anime.)

(Anonymous) 2017-03-18 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
above OP says they've seen posts about this in relation to John/Sherlock (?!?!?!?) so I think it's more about catching the sneaky/imaginary pedos than addressing actual abuse or creepiness.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-18 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
It's just shipping nonsense. Apart from a few (mostly anime) characters that can be used as examples, they just apply it to whatever shipping preference they don't like.
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[personal profile] arcadiaego 2017-03-18 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Lord. I wish I had a well thought out response to this, OP, but honestly I don't think I can be bothered. The only way someone is 'child coded' is if they are a) a child or b) acting like one for whatever reason. Even b) will usually just be someone's totally consensual kink. Size differences are not problematic. Ignore those people and know that 90% of creators will not be making content based on those ideas.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-19 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
I hate this "child-coded" bs. It's not a thing mainstream western media creators actually do (unlike how gay-coding was historically a thing). People just either hate a ship or have a strong preference for who "tops" and are desperate for a reason to bully other people into not having different preferences.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-19 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
+1

Basically this.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-19 10:57 am (UTC)(link)
Eh, as long as you aren't the one bullying people for shipping things the "wrong way", who cares? I'm usually more into the opposite of your preference and yeah, there is that "OMG, this is wrong! You must be subversive and empower the physically weaker character through...something" nonsense that crops up again and again to try to stop people from liking certain dynamics. But what you gonna do?

I don't wander around telling people that they're "wrong" for not sharing my headcanons and preferences and just ignore stuff I don't like. As long as you're doing the same, it's all good. You're not obligated to be the fandom nanny and you're not responsible for people who are annoying and hateful in the name of shipping.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-19 02:08 pm (UTC)(link)
OP, don't let the sexual hang-ups of tumblr be your hang-ups. Most of them are just teens and young adults with no sexual, relationship or life experience. People are in relationships with height differences ALL THE FUCKING TIME. No one involved is a pedophile. Jesus.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-19 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
The people on Tumblr are imbeciles.