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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-03-18 04:08 pm

[ SECRET POST #3727 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3727 ⌋

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Apparently I have a lot to say on this topic.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-18 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Holy crap, OP, I was just (literally as today's secrets got posted) looking at my huge collection of bookmarks for my current fandom and thinking about beginning the task of going through them and seeing which fics have been deleted in the years since I read them. The coincidence of seeing this secret right at the top is killing me.

I completely agree with you. I know it's the author's right to do what they want with their fics. I know they often have personal reasons for taking their stuff down. I know they own me nothing. But it's just really frustrating and saddening when little bits of the fandom keep winking out irretrievably.

I'm not OCD myself, but in addition to really loving a hell of a lot of fanfic, I've also always had a strong curatorial love of fandom. I love the archives, the collections, what author wrote which fics and when. The kinds of fics people were writing during a specific period in the fandom, fics that made a big splash, fics that got in early before any fanon had been established yet, etc, etc. And because this is such a big part of my love for fandom, when people delete their fics, I'm not just sad because I can't read their fic anymore - I'm also sad because a tiny part of the greater fandom context is gone too.

In the 10 years I've been deeply into fandom (as opposed to just dipping my feet in), I've only had two really major fandom loves. The first one was The X-Files fandom, and the funny thing about that fandom is that it taught me really bad habits about saving fics I liked - namely: don't bother, they're not going anywhere. Literally, in the five years I was obsessively into TXF, I don't think there was ever a single fic that I couldn't find somewhere. Because for one thing, back then, people tended to have their fics archived all over the place. Plus the main XF archive was a bitch to get your stuff deleted from. Plus, the Wayback machine works for like 98% of those old URLs. (Can I just say that the X-Files fandom was a thing of beauty? It really was.)

So when I got into my current fandom, I thought I didn't need to bother saving anything. And because I'm slow af, five years later I've only just figured out that HOLY SHIT, everybody DELETESTHEIR SHIT now, and WTF the Wayback machine DOESN'T WORK on any of this stuff!!! (In summary: I feel old, and lol I miss geocities.)

Tangentially, can we talk about how Wayback used to work on AO3, like, last year? And now it doesn't? Who the fuck made that decision?!

Re: Apparently I have a lot to say on this topic.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-18 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Just to clarify: when I say "back then" in regard to TXF fandom, I don't mean in 2007 when I got into the fandom. I mean in 1997 when the fandom was booming and a lot of the best fanworks were being written and posted.

Re: Apparently I have a lot to say on this topic.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-18 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
People used to have their stuff posted everywhere, you're right! So if someone bahleted their LJ you could always find it posted on some other random fic archive or website. So handy, but it definitely gave bad habits as far as saving stuff you enjoyed.
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Re: Apparently I have a lot to say on this topic.

[personal profile] slashgirl 2017-03-18 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
FYI: The AO3 thing is not something they decided to do--they've been trying to get in touch with the Wayback Machine/Internet Archive about it (since they found out about it) and have had no success. There's a post about it on their tumblr.

Re: Apparently I have a lot to say on this topic.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-19 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the info! It seems like a really terrible decision for the people who run the website to have made, so I'm glad it had nothing to do with them. I thought maybe the AO3 mods were just catering to writers who felt personally victimized that people were waybacking their fics after they took them down, or something.

This explanation makes a lot more sense though.
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Re: Apparently I have a lot to say on this topic.

[personal profile] slashgirl 2017-03-19 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
Here's the post from tumblr--this includes OTW's response on their tumblr.

http://transformativeworks.tumblr.com/post/158563934706/why-is-ao3-making-archiving-more-difficult

Re: Apparently I have a lot to say on this topic.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-19 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
Wowwww. Okay, yeah, that really sucks. Poor AO3 team, what a crappy situation to be in.

I feel like shooting angry side-eyes at the Internet Archive now. The least they could do is answer AO3's queries about why AO3 isn't being archived anymore.