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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-03-19 03:29 pm

[ SECRET POST #3728 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3728 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2017-03-19 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
In school, Snape's consistently jealous of everyone that Lily spends time with who isn't him. After school, he's totally cool with Voldemort killing James and Harry as long as Dumbledore saves his Lily. He feels a little entitled to her.

Still, I'd agree that he's not a traditional Nice Guy. He obviously had a different idea of where their relationship was headed than Lily did, and was confused and hurt when she didn't take being the exception to his "kill all the mudbloods" philosophy as the complement it was meant to be. He was bitter, jealous and resentful, but he never resented Lily for rejecting him like a "Nice Guy" would. Instead, he resented James stealing her and Harry for trapping her with James and being proof that James and Lily banged.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-19 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
So just a different kind of sexism? He didn't grant her any agenda, her being with James was James' fault, not hers.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
Is that really sexism? Women blame other women for "stealing" the men they want all the time. Seems like it's ultimately a jealousy thing.

DA

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
It's sexism because sexism is bad and Snape is bad and all bad people are sexist. That's hater logic for you.

Re: DA

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 08:02 am (UTC)(link)
go wank to greasehair mcgee.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 02:33 am (UTC)(link)
It's sexist when women do it too, since it's playing into that whole "men are ruled by their dicks and can't be held responsible for their own actions where sex is involved" stereotype.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 05:42 am (UTC)(link)
Seems sexist to me because it assumes the woman has no choice in the matter, as if James made Lily stop considering Snape as a possible lover. That's not what happened. Snape was an asshole so Lily cut ties with him and then started dating James later. Yeah, it's a jealousy thing, too but it also shows a lack of respect for Lily, I think since Snape doesn't accept Lily truly wanted to be with James.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 06:24 am (UTC)(link)
Snape was upset that James flirted with Lily, both because he was jealous and because James and his friends bullied Snape mercilessly, apparently on a regular basis. That's hardly being jealous of "everyone." Also, it was as a direct consequence of an attack by the Marauders that an upside-down and humiliated Snape lost his shit and called Lily a Mudblood, so after that I imagine Snape's hatred of James was never going to die.

James and Lily didn't even get together until after Lily had kicked Snape out of her life. There was no "stealing." Snape and Lily weren't friends by that point. And nowhere in the books does Snape indicate that he thought Harry's existence "trapped" Lily with James.

No, Snape didn't give a shit about James or Harry being killed. He hated James, and Harry meant nothing to him. Yes, that's disgusting. But wanting to save Lily doesn't mean he felt entitled to her. It simply means she was the only person whose life he valued.

My take on it is that Snape hated Harry, not just because, as everybody points out, he looks like James, but because Lily died to save him. Harry survived at the cost of Lily's life. (I also think this is one reason Snape is so awful to Neville. He was the other possible target, and if Voldemort had gone after the Longbottoms, Lily might not have died.)

It's totally irrational, because Voldemort would never have hunted down the Potters in the first place if Snape hadn't reported the prophecy. Snape knows this, knows his part in Lily's death, yet it doesn't make him hate Harry any less.

Snape's interesting because he is so fucked up, because his feelings for Lily were genuine but obsessive and broken nonetheless, and because all the best things he did were motivated by guilt and grief. I love him because he's such a mess. It's no skin off my nose if people hate him, but I do find the Discourse-speak (Nice Guy, friendzoning, stalker, etc.) a projection that has noting to do with the story JKR was telling.