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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-03-19 03:29 pm

[ SECRET POST #3728 ]


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(Anonymous) 2017-03-19 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not saying it hurts less. Of course it wouldn't hurt less. Just as someone who HAS lost people I knew well and people who I hadn't had that time with, I definitely prefer having that lifetime of memories to fall back on rather than thinking of all the 'what ifs' about the future you never had together.

I personally just didn't find the loss or character death any sadder than any other character that Disney's offed for plot reasons.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Ellie's death itself isn't any more tragic than any other death, no. I think the treatment is a little different, though. Up is about grief itself to a very large extent. It isn't about growing up, it isn't about vengeance, it isn't about becoming a better person, it isn't about saving the kingdom, all things movies often use character deaths to fuel. It's about learning to survive grief. It's about Carl accepting Ellie's death, it's about him being able to let go of his obsessive reconstruction of their life, it's about him being able to involve himself in life without having her beside him, it's about him being able to put someone else, someone new and still living, before his promises to her, it's about him being able to fall back on those happy memories without the grief overwhelming him again. We're given, what, a three minute snapshot of their life at the start, a three minute glimpse of what he lost, and the entire rest of the movie is devoted to him learning how to survive that and move past it. And we accept that, because we saw Ellie, we saw what they had, we know why her death is that important to him.

I don't think anyone is saying that the fact of Ellie's death is intrinsically sadder than any other character Disney/Pixar has killed. Most of what I see is the acknowledgement that they went about it differently in Up. They involved the audience more intimately in both Carl and Ellie's life, Ellie's death, and then Carl's grief over Ellie's death. Because, well, that was the point. The movie, to a large extent, is about death, grief, and what it takes to move past it.