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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-03-19 03:29 pm

[ SECRET POST #3728 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3728 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
The problem I have with Snape and the way Rowling wrote him was that I never felt like he had a legitimate change of heart - that he understood what he did was evil and wrong.

Even after he called Lily a mudblood, he went and joined up with the Death Eaters anyway.

It seemed like the only reason he ever turned against them was to protect Lily and then to get back at Voldemort for killing her. Not because he saw the error of his ways. He was perfectly happy for Lily's son and husband to be killed by Voldemort and even after Lily died, it didn't seem like Snape really cared about helping/saving anyone so much as he wanted revenge against Voldemort for taking Lily away from him.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
Snape's a good example of how you can be a hero without necessarily being a good person. He did great, heroic things and the second war would have been lost without him. But, you're right. Voldemort and the Death Eaters were bad because they killed Lily. That's about as far as that change of heart ever went.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 05:35 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly. I need my heroes to have a touch of altruism where they realize that other people and their feelings do actually matter. Snape would have been perfectly content to let Voldermort take over the world, and would have been more than happy to help, if it didn't involve killing Lily. The murdering of an innocent baby, either Harry or Neville was totally cool with Snape. That's a huge WTF for me and why I couldn't take his arc as a hero seriously. If he honestly did realize that Voldermort was wrong for wanting to enslave Muggles and murdering and torturing tons of wizards and witches, he never indicated it in the story. If he ever did feel that way, JK did a huge disservice to his character by never showing it.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 06:38 am (UTC)(link)
I don't entirely agree that there was no change of heart, although it can be argued it was too little, too late. When Dumbledore commands Snape to be the one to kill him and asks, "How many people have you watched die, Severus?", Snape retorts, "Lately, only those whom I could not save," and I think that's proof Snape's finally caught a clue. Other people besides Lily do matter.

Of course, he never gets a chance to act on this sliver of empathy, so who knows how long it would have lasted. The whole question of what Snape would have done with his life if Voldie hadn't offed him (assuming he wasn't bunged into Azkaban for the next hundred years) is fascinating, because then you'd have a Snape without a purpose, and what the hell would he have done without Lily or Dumbledore to guide him?

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 11:26 am (UTC)(link)
Snape without a purpose would have found some other reason to go Death Seeker. The main difference between Severus and Sirius was which Potter they were fixated on.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 06:45 am (UTC)(link)
...Of course he did. You're using the same rhetoric that I hear about bullied and at-risk people making their own problems when they find bad groups who actually validate them. It's how gangs recruit, for example.

"No one cares about you? We will! Just do all these horrible things!"

Validation is a hell of a drug.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 08:44 am (UTC)(link)
This isn't about why he joined Voldemort, but whether he broke with him for selfish reasons or for truly altruistic ones.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 08:48 am (UTC)(link)
> Even after he called Lily a mudblood, he went and joined up with the Death Eaters anyway.

That is what I was responding to. He was already being indoctrinated before that, keep in mind. Because, you know, he was being bullied for years.