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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-03-20 06:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #3729 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3729 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2017-03-21 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
In the case of one of the fandoms I was thinking about when I wrote this, the canon does have other queer characters. Fandom just wanted this particular guy to be the fandom bicycle because he's the "fandom hottie".

Full disclosure, I wouldn't even care if people write him slowly discovering he's also into guys. I ship him with another guy (he's not conventionally hot enough for fandom though so the ship is not very popular compared to other purely smut ships involving the first guy and random hot men he's barely interacted with) because they have a ton of chemistry in canon. But I also don't erase the character's canon ladies man past. You can write all the hot smut without just veering off into complete OOC land. :(

I guess what bothers me most about this is how well accepted it is, to the point where people don't tag for it.

nayrt

(Anonymous) 2017-03-21 04:19 am (UTC)(link)
There's a difference between "sometimes has supporting or one-shot queer characters" and the actual possibility of having a gay or bi man as the protagonist of a network genre show, though.

If there were actual queer protagonist of genre shows (multiple, not "oh look Torchwood had Captain Jack Hardness so what are you complaining about?") then I might be more inclined to take "Stud McManly is a totally heterosexual straight dude" at face value. But we live in a society where actually having a gay or bi man as the protagonist of a mainstream network action show is still in the future, and where, if he were real, a gay or bi Stud McManly would very likely be in the closet.

And I'm not sure what you mean by "not tagging for it." Do you mean not tagging for the relationship that's in the fic? Or not tagging for the character identifying as bisexual. If it's the latter, that seems like it would frustrate the people who were searching that "bisexual Stud McManly" tag for fics about his experiences as a closeted bi man.

Re: nayrt

(Anonymous) 2017-03-21 05:50 am (UTC)(link)
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The series I'm talking about has multiple queer characters that get a lot of backstory though and are treated extremely well by canon.

Also, not to sound like an ass but would you be saying the same thing to people who were questioning if a canon character's bisexuality or homosexuality shouldn't be taken "at face value"? It sounds more like you're saying you can completely ignore a character's stated sexuality because he happens to be straight. You're also using a pretty stereotypical way of describing someone's heterosexuality. Not all straight characters, even ones who like to play the field, are presented as "Straight Stud McManly".

Like I said, I'm fine with broadening a character's sexual horizons, but do it respectfully. If you would take issue with someone taking a gay male character and straightening him, I don't think it's cool to be like "well oh well the character is straight so we don't have to respect that at all". And that's coming from a bisexual trans man. I [i]know[/i] about erasure. I would just prefer people do things respectfully.

"And I'm not sure what you mean by "not tagging for it." Do you mean not tagging for the relationship that's in the fic? Or not tagging for the character identifying as bisexual. If it's the latter, that seems like it would frustrate the people who were searching that "bisexual Stud McManly" tag for fics about his experiences as a closeted bi man. "

Wait what? Why would tagging that be frustrating? I'm confused. And yeah, I do feel people should tag things if they're going to retcon a character's stated sexuality. I've seen people do it for characters before, it's pretty unobtrusive. If you're going to make up a whole backstory about how straight character A secretly loves dick, or straight character B secretly loves pussy, I think it's smart to tag that. It's a headcanon, and people tag other headcanons and subject matter in fics all the time, why is this one exempt? I don't want to have to read about someone's "secretly always been bi" headcanon for character B if it's not something I particularly ascribe to the character.