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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-05-18 07:23 pm

[ SECRET POST #3788 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3788 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2017-05-18 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd put good money down that they're not actually going to cast a woman. Non-white is more possible but I still think it's most likely to be a white man.

Of course I assume that this is just going to be another rant about SJWs and pandering from you so I'm not even sure why I'm replying.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-18 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
They were floating a rumor of an Anglo-Indian guy, so possibly an off-white might happen but not a full POC. I think(hope) that the possibility of a female doctor (something that has been Moffat's own personal fetish since his fanfic author days) is sunk though.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-18 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
A female doctor would be fine without Moffat writing it, really don't get the objection there.

Also I'm not inclined to defend Moffat's writing generally, but I think you're overstating the case with regards to that being Moffat's "fetish" - does it show up anywhere outside the joke at the end of Curse Of Fatal Death?

(Anonymous) 2017-05-19 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
Before Moff became a high flying tv writer he was once a lowly fan himself. Anyone that remembers him from those days, the days of zines and newsletters and when the cons were one step away from gay sex hookups in quite nasty hotel bars, knows that he has had a sex change fetish for the character. He was never exactly shy about it.

As to why I don't want it. It just has no interest for me, that is it. There is no big secret or conspiracy there. The idea of a female Doctor has no appeal, so why would I cheerlead it when I wouldn't watch the show if they did it? I'd rather cheerlead a choice that I will enjoy tuning in for. You can ask but-why all night and the answer won't shift from just-because.

I suspect that is probably true for a huge chunk of the notoriously conservative and old-fashioned British television watch public too. As a nation we're a lot more stuffy and stuck in the mud than anyone cares to admit, especially in the privacy of our own front rooms. There are less progressives than the change seeking progressives want, and even they don't want all that much half the time.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-19 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
Before Moff became a high flying tv writer he was once a lowly fan himself. Anyone that remembers him from those days, the days of zines and newsletters and when the cons were one step away from gay sex hookups in quite nasty hotel bars, knows that he has had a sex change fetish for the character. He was never exactly shy about it.

What I'm asking for here is any kind of documentation for this other than you saying it

(Anonymous) 2017-05-19 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
You're asking if I have secret wiretaps of conversations that occurred in cons in the 1980s? Strangely enough, no. Doesn't stop it from being common knowledge from those which were there.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-19 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
Are you aware of any places in which other people who were in Doctor Who fandom in the 1980s and 1990s have written about this apparently well-known fact?

I mean like for Pete's sake. Doctor Who fandom is extraordinarily well-documented and given to vociferous argument and people have genuinely been writing about this shit going back to the actual 80s. A lot of BNFs have been BNFs since the actual 80s. I would think if this was something that had happened, it would have gotten a ton of press, the same way that Moffat's 90s interview where he talked shit about classic Who has gotten a ton of press. But I've never seen any mention of it outside of people talking about the ending of Curse of Fatal Death.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-19 07:29 am (UTC)(link)
I mean, just because you think the Doctor needs to remain a manly man with a penis who does manly things... Meh. Old people like you need to just let these things happen. Why can't the Doctor be a woman?

(Anonymous) 2017-05-19 08:10 am (UTC)(link)
I'm young and female and I would absolutely hate it if they make the Doctor into a woman. If they want a good, kick-ass female character they ought to write a new one, not re-write an existing one. If the Doctor regenerate into a woman, that's gonna be the beginning of an end. BBC knows the franchise would go down the drain, so I highly doubt this will happen, regardless of rumors and wishful thinking of some.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-19 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
An 'off white'? Seriously? Are biracial people not good enough now to meet diversity status?

(Anonymous) 2017-05-19 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
Anglo-Indian ain't strictly biracial though. It is a weird ethnicity all of its own, both here in the UK and in India itself. It doesn't map into the usual US model of racialism. It is as much cultural as it is ethnic.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-19 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
Still, off white? That's less than classy.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-19 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
How would you describe it then for an ethnic and cultural group which neither identifies as purely white but not as a poc either. They are not a load of damn natives you know (and that is pretty much exactly, word for word, how many Anglo-Indians did describe themselves, btw, British but not white British and certainly "not a damn native". Off white is as good as any for such a complex ethno-cultural identity as defined by a white national culture.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-19 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
Nice reference to It Ain't Half Hot, Mum.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-19 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
Michael Bates got a lot of praise from the Anglo-Indian community for specifically including that phrase. A mark of pride and hypocrisy in equal measure, apparently. He wasn't Anglo-Indian in the racial sense but he was in the cultural sense, which just goes to show how complicated that identity is.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-19 07:30 am (UTC)(link)
...Something about the way you type "native" makes it sound like you're speaking with disdain.

Take your racist-ass self and go drink from the toilet.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-19 10:49 am (UTC)(link)
That is exactly how Anglo-Indians used the word, dripping with disdain, so it is a hundred percent intentional that you feel that way. You've attributed the origin of word though.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-18 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
What the fucking hell? No need to be an asshole, dude. I was just thinking of the rumours that have been going on for years and that last year (I think?) news of BBC pushing diversity and inclusion quotas.

People like you make this place extremely unpleasant.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-18 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry

People have been going on a lot of weird rants about Doctor Who and SJWs the last few days guess it's gotten in my head

(Anonymous) 2017-05-19 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
"Bill" does need a more gender appropriate name and to straighten her hair though.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-19 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
lol