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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-07-11 07:16 pm

[ SECRET POST #3842 ]


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(Anonymous) 2017-07-11 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
The problem for me is people are too quick to jump from villain to morally upstanding. The redeemed villains end up more caring, loving people than average regular people without a history of murdering innocents and it gets straight up ridiculous.

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[personal profile] nightscale 2017-07-12 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
I quite enjoy villain redemption but it's not the easiest thing to write well and a lot of people tend to fall into the woobie 'they never did anything wrong/it was mind-control/blackmail' route rather than make the character go through the difficulty of redeeming themselves.

But I can also enjoy 'not a badguy anymore but still an ass' type stories because that's basically Vegeta's. :P

(Anonymous) 2017-07-12 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
This. I can understand why it's a big no-no for most people because villain redemption rarely well executed. It takes WORK and a lot of clever plotting to do a credible redemption and most authors either don't realize it, don't want to do the work, or simply can't. Instead they try to fudge it with retconning or flimsy excuses and that spoils it, IMO.
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[personal profile] rosehiptea 2017-07-12 05:26 am (UTC)(link)
I once tried to write a villain redemption, not a complete redemption exactly but more like "I now realize I have done things I shouldn't have done," but the problem was that if it really hit him what he had done, it would be pretty crushing. I mean it's like looking into the abyss.

The story sucked for other reasons, but partly because I had so much trouble fathoming how anyone could do such sweeping horrible things and then be sorry for it, even gradually.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-12 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
How do you feel about anti-villains, OP?

(Anonymous) 2017-07-12 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I like redemption, but the person still has to kind of be that bad person. Even if they're not being villainous anymore.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-12 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
Same, OP, same. When I love a villain, I usually love them become they're a villain, not because I want to see them turn good.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-12 07:45 am (UTC)(link)
I love those kinds of fics, even written a couple, myself. In mine, the villain felt the anguish of what they'd placed others through and had to really make up for what they'd done. It wasn't as simple as others going "Oh they're 'good' now, that's fine." The villains felt the absolute weight of their actions and were constantly reminded of the terrible things that they had done, and felt, rightfully, terrible about it.

It depends on the villain, of course. IMO there are some that are a little more morally ambiguous. But then, given the right motivation, anyone can be redeemed. Look at Darth Vader. And he was redeemed by the love of his son.