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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-07-13 06:40 pm

[ SECRET POST #3844 ]


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(Anonymous) 2017-07-13 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I could have made this secret, to be honest. It was the first time I found Simm's Master believable. He used to be ridiculous (yes, I know Master is supposed to be over the top, but still) and just annoying, here he was perfect. A wonderful match to Gomez's Missy.

Perhaps it's time we finally admit that Moffat is simply a better writer than RTD? They both have their own problems, but, with the exception of several episodes, series 2 and 3 were practically unwatchable for me, while I really enjoyed most of SM's run.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-13 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Hater brigade aside, I think most people have issues with Moffat as a show runner and not as a writer. Back before during the RTD era everyone and their moms thought of Moffat episodes as some of the best Nu-Who episodes. And I just checked IMDB and Moffat episodes have higher scores than RTD's. Most RTD episodes had 7s whereas Moffat's were 8 or 9s.

Moffat has shit tons of flaws as a show runner and I think those issues ended up affecting the individual scripts he wrote these past years, but imo he's way better than RTD as a writer.
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[personal profile] virtual_lips 2017-07-17 06:16 am (UTC)(link)
THIS. The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances are still my favorite NuWho episodes.

Moffat is a great as a writer and horrible as a show runner.

Rusty is great as a show runner and not so great as a writer.
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[personal profile] ketita 2017-07-14 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with anon above me. As a standalone episode writer, I really liked Moffat. But when he's in charge of shows, he somehow manages to make me just... not care about the characters (I also disliked his work in Sherlock). And I think his long-term plots are a huge mess that don't end up really making much sense at the end.

While I have my criticisms of RTD, he managed to keep me interested in Who throughout his seasons. With Moffat, I drifted away after a season and a bit. So clearly, Moffat doesn't work for me.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-14 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
Moffat is definitely a good standalone writer but he's a mess whenever he needs to write consistent characterization or stay within the lines of his canon (those god damn angels) or have an overarching plot that pays off and isn't full of holes.

I think Moffat is also better when he has some constraints, I think RTD actually helped him improve his writing.

RTD definitely has some weak episodes under his belt as well, but I think the one thing I can say for sure is he was a better showrunner.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-14 01:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Moffat is fantastic when he has constraints. Press Gang will always be his greatest work.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-14 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
Do you actually want to start the Moffat Debate again

(Anonymous) 2017-07-14 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
Moffat was everyone's favourite writer during RTD's era, though. I haven't seen any debate in ages but it was always as someone else said, that his long-term plots fall flat and people dislike him as a showrunner.

I can't watch DW anymore. Whenever I resolve myself to give it another try,I always think of him and Neil Gaimen getting all smug about Idris saying that the TARDIS door says "pull to open" in The Doctor's Wife and that is the best way to explain how my favourite show my entire life became my least favourite. They were literally clapping each other on the back about it and oblivious to the fact they'd got it all wrong completely on multiple levels. I kept watching the show for the rest of that series but it didn't bring me any joy whatsoever and I finally quit. I tried to get back into with Twelve but again I couldn't find anything likeable in the show and finally gave up for good. The fact that Moffat wrote so many of the best episodes of NuWho makes what he's done as showrunner all the more galling and he's killed it for me.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-13 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Have you ever seen John Simm in other roles? He's a really great actor! So I don't think his portrayal of the Master has improved because of an improving of his acting skills (well, maybe he also improved a bit during these years), but because of the writing.
Since the Master was no longer insane, but "cured", he was more stable and "menacing", even if he retained his silliness. I laughed way more than I expected I would've been listening to his insults.
He was way more similar to Anthony Ainley's portrayal of the master than the one we saw during Tenth's run. I wanted more!!!

(Anonymous) 2017-07-13 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Simm is a solid actor who was given crummy direction in his first outings as the Master. I'm glad he got the chance to redeem his portrayal of the character.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-14 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
It's been too long since I saw his other episodes, but I really liked Simm as the Master in the finale.
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[personal profile] tabaqui 2017-07-14 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
I agree, I thought they were absolutely lovely.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-14 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
He was really far better in these episodes, and I really think it's because his character was much better written. And him with Missy was such a joy!

(Anonymous) 2017-07-14 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
I did like Simm!Master during Ten's run (though him eating people or whatever was weird), but he did seem more entertaining in the finale and it was a joy to see him and Missy on screen. I loved the dancing bit and the final bit with him and Missy.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-15 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
John Simm is a brilliant actor and has been for at least 2 decades. It's the writing.