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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-07-14 06:43 pm

[ SECRET POST #3845 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3845 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[dance, So You Think You Can Dance, Dancing with the Stars, World of Dance]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #550.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-15 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
I mostly agree with this, but I think "subtle empathy" is just an understatement. It's pervasive in certain parts (especially stuff connected with Mordor, the Ring, and Frodo's Journey - not just the Dead Marshes). Like, tropes and descriptions and characterization and things are all very directly drawn from those experiences.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-15 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
But the Ring was taken straight from Siegfried. He didn't come up with that on his own. I can agree that Frodo coming home at the end and not being able to be healed is something Tolkien took from real world experience but I don't think that has anything to do with extraordinary horrors of war - not like it's presented in this secret.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-15 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
I agree it's not anything to do with what was present in this secret.

I think the fact that the Ring was taken from Siegfried doesn't preclude Tolkien using it in a way that draws on WWI and WWI experiences and tropes. It can be more than one thing at the same time. for me, the fact that it's more than one thing at the same time is part of what makes LOTR so good.

And it's not just the ring but the settings and experiences around the whole ring journey. Just a lot of things drawing on those ideas.

anyway this is a minor disagreement with your very reasonable and sane ideas, i want to be clear about that

(Anonymous) 2017-07-15 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I definitely agree that his WW1 experiences are there. When I say subtle empathy, I mean his war experience isn't in the flashy image of a body on a pole or Gelmir getting chopped to pieces (those to me are from literature) but in the empathy he shows in Frodo's storyline. You only get that kind of understanding when all your friends die (as Tolkien's did).

So, I think we're overall in agreement.