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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-08-05 04:15 pm

[ SECRET POST #3867 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3867 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I kind of agree, but I also kind of think we should stop acting like YKINMK is a contract that everyone on the Internet signed.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Not everyone everywhere on the internet, but in fandom it is kind of a contract that you implicitly sign? At least, it used to be, before people like the secret's commenter just up and decided otherwise.

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(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Personally, I don't think of it as a contract per se, but it's like not grabbing food off people's plates without asking. IMO the world is a better place if everyone agrees that's not cool.

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(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I reserve the right to kinkshame some things.

Or, you know, at least mock people who publish their weird kinks online.

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(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
One of the things I kind of hate too, people like this tend to seek out properly tagged stuff to hate on. Lets say they hate Tony Stark/Peter Parker. They're not going to be roaming around general tags going "Hey, heads up, you forgot to tag your stuff so people can blacklist it." Nope, they're going to dive headfirst into the properly tagged stuff so they can be sure and give those perverts a piece of their mind.

.... which just means people are less likely to actually tag it so the rest of us can blacklist it.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. I hate that, too. You (general "you") see something that's properly tagged and you read it and get upset with it anyway, you have nobody to blame but yourself for that one.

But yeah, there's types of stories and kinks I may personally not get the appeal of, but I have no desire to go in and harass the writers about it, whether they're properly tagged or not. If it''s not properly tagged and I read it and don't care for it, well...like the secret says, that's why the back button exists. It's really not that hard to just click out of a story. And if it is properly tagged, well, then I know and I can just skip past it altogether if it isn't my thing. I don't get why people have to make it any more complicated than that.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-06 04:26 am (UTC)(link)
On that line - I don't get it so much any more, but I used to hate it when I'd write something for a particular ship, with the ship clearly labeled, and then some asshole would come along with a "but you should have written [OTHER PAIRING I LIKE, INSTEAD]!" or "ew, this ship" or whatever.

Still, that sort of thing was a lot more easily-ignored that someone having a go at how decent a PERSON you are, simply because you wrote ____ and they don't like ____.
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[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2017-08-05 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not a YKINMK person, but I know better than to go searching for stuff to disagree with, or to start an "anti" tumblr for the purpose of harassing people I disagree with. I'd much rather read the stuff I like.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I understand if you'd rather not comment, but could you explain why you don't subscribe to YKINMK? You tend to have a reasoned and thought out perspective on a lot of things even if I don't necessarily agree.

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(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Meh. I took stick from people twenty years ago (yeesh!) who insisted on reading stories that they knew they wouldn't like. People are consistently stupid that way. But fandom was a lot more freewheeling in those days, and it seemed like people were much more civil about voicing their opinions and respecting other people's interests.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I think people were about as likely to leave that kind of comment then as they are now, it's just that these days, they're more likely to be supported. Back then, such commenters were considered crass and often dismissed as trolls. Nowadays, they're considered righteous.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-06 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
I think you're right. This is basically how it seems to be nowadays.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-06 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
"This is gross plz die"

Look at that BRAVE SOUL standing up for what's RIGHT!

seriously though, truth. It's kind of depressing really.
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[personal profile] tabaqui 2017-08-05 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm just baffled that people do this. I don't read fic with pairings or tags i don't enjoy. Even pairings i *love*, by authors I like, if it's got certain tags? I don't even click.

People just wanting to whine to the author on a tagged fic that they don't like it need to stfu and get over themselves.
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[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2017-08-05 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
There'a a time and place to debate how some kinks and fiction are problematic, and fanfic sites are probably not the place to host that kind of conversation.

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(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
when were these olden days when people used to mind their own business if they didn't like something. I must have missed them by ten years or something because I remember the "old days" very differently.

People were rude and left shitty rude comments but they didn't do it from the "moral police" angle. They still did it though.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
This, but also moral policing wasn't anywhere near as common as it is now. Of course, there's a lot more online fandom stuff now than there was even ten years ago, and with that increase also comes an increase in the "how very dare you write X pairing, don't you know how problematic it is omg you're worse than Hitler" crowd. Six of one, half a dozen of the other, I suppose.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah I don't remember these "good ole days" lots of people mention here. The comment OP screen capped looks exactly like something I saw on some smut fics I used to glance over.

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(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
That looks like FFN so I can guarantee, people "flamed" back in the days too.

Maybe not specifically about age gap though, that is pretty much flavor of the moment. But plenty of "ewww insert pairing" to go around.
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[personal profile] type_wild 2017-08-05 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
If we go way back (like, pre-LJ fandom), my experience at least was that a lot of fic that'd go under the YKINMK today would've been posted behind plenty of warnings and disclaimers about exactly what kind of content was in them and ADULTS ONLY TURN BACK IF YOU WON'T LIKE IT, to avoid situations like this.

And with the advent of social media and how fandom no longer is an invisible subculture, I'm thinking the explisit warnings might have some purpose, at least in spaces like tumblr where there's no clear border between fannish and non-fannish spaces.

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[personal profile] mrs_don_draper 2017-08-06 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
1000000000% agree

(Anonymous) 2017-08-06 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
I think it's important to remember that there are always going to be people who are new to fandom who have not had anything explained to them, have not learned the ways, have not read sociological studies, and have no idea what to expect. They may have had no idea that fanfic existed, let alone included gay porn about characters who are not canonically gay. Maybe that's less common now, but I was encountering people 20 years ago who were completely blindsided by that kind of thing and were vocal about their shock and disgust. Someone is always going to be shocked that people are shipping siblings or underage. It's not just people completely new to fandom, but can include people who only experienced one fandom or type of fandom space before branching out and they had been kind of sheltered.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-06 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
Nah, people still did that sort of thing back in the day. They were just more likely to be called out as a troll about it. Nowadays you have these groups of fandom crusaders out there.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-06 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
What the hell kind of magical fandom utopia did you live in? People sure as shit roasted each other for all sorts of dumb bullshit back then, and they sure as hell were a lot more openly racist, homophobic, transphobic, and misogynistic about it too. Christ, I remember when people who had "don't like, don't read!" disclaimers on their fics were roundly mocked and specifically targeted for abuse. I'm sick of these nostalgia glasses about fandom where everyone always got along and no one was ever mean to each other or complained about fic they didn't like. It's the same shit it's always been but with different coats of paint.

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