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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-08-07 06:24 pm

[ SECRET POST #3869 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3869 ⌋

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[personal profile] dani_phantasma 2017-08-07 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
IMO the only thing wrong when it comes to portrayals of say autistic people or people with a condition, is when they make a claim that EVERYBODY with that condition is like this.

There are lots of people in real life who will seem like they would be an offensive stereotype if they were fiction but they're not. So I don't see anything wrong with you relating with this character. If anyone shames you for relating to this character they're full of bullshit.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-10 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
What Dani said. Yes.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-11 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
^ THIS.

Stereotypes exist because they're based off of somebody and then the majority (in this case neurotypicals) end up believing that this particular example/somebody represents EVERYBODY in their group.

Stereotypes are def harmful because they generalize large populations but at the same time, there ARE people who fit into them and I think they end up getting hurt too because they're accused of upholding stereotypes when they're just being themselves.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-07 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I can see both sides of the argument - like its obnoxious as hell that the author seems proud of having done zero research when writing this character, but I also think people can relate to all kinds of things, even elements of offensive/stereotypical/poorly intentioned things. (I relate, in some aspects, to a very offensive portrayal of something I am, so yeah :/)

(Anonymous) 2017-08-07 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Why do people always say they're "not supposed" to like something? I've literally never seen someone actually TELL someone "you're not supposed to like this."

OP

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
No one's directly told me that I'm not supposed to like it, but most of the reviews I've read by actual autistic people complain about how inaccurate and stereotypical the book is. Also, I've read plenty of reviews by neurotypicals who come away from the book with the impression that Christopher is incapable of empathy and love and is somehow responsible for his mother's affair, so there's no denying that the book perpetuates offensive stereotypes. Maybe if the book had gone into more detail about the reasoning behind Christopher's thought processes the reactions would be different, although I'm not sure how Haddon could have done that without making Christopher act out of character.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't actually read the book, but I've seen it staged as a play, and maybe it benefited from having multiple voices (and indeed that did allow for his thought process to be highlighted), but he didn't come across as lacking empathy, or a capacity for love.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 06:27 am (UTC)(link)
I've read plenty of reviews by neurotypicals who come away from the book with the impression that Christopher is incapable of empathy and love and is somehow responsible for his mother's affair

These people have very poor reading comprehension, and it pisses me off that the author is taking the blame for it.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Well I'm one of those awful "neurotypicals" and I read it as no such thing. Maybe it's ignorance not ones thinking style that's to blame?

OP

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not saying any of the people who read it that way were bad or stupid. I know most of them were just misinformed. My point was that the book wasn't doing anything to make them less misinformed. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear on that.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2017-08-11 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT But as a commenter above said, that isn't necessarily down to the book/author and is just as likely to be bad reading comprehension - and unless the book was going to preach at readers and tell them what to think, they read into it what they think they know. Christopher's unusual way of expressing himself and his feelings came across to me not as lack of empathy but as indicative of his communication difficulties/autism. As a parent of an adult with autism I hope I know better than to look at the surface.
And regarding the intellectual 'arrogance' - well he was much brighter than most of the others at his special school and even many NT pupils - in Maths. He just lacked a filter in expressing that as some autistic people do - as was also commented by someone above.
Sorry for being a bit prickly but I do tend to see a lot of " NT people misunderstand and misrepresent us just because they are NT" and it's not so.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah yes, people disagree with you, so they MUST be neurotypical.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
I just hated it as an autistic teen because the main character was an idiot, but spent so much time reminding the audience that he was so terribly clever, so smart, so much better then all the dumb plebs. Oh yeah, smart guy, then why'd you forget that trains travel on train tracks, and going on train tracks at a busy station is usually terminally dumb?
Also, it was so damn obvious that his mum wasn't dead. "Oh she's sick and in the hospital and now she's dead but you can't come to the funeral or visit her grave and literally no one is going to mention this". JFC.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
God, this. As yet another autistic teen when I read it, I probably would have actually been able to tolerate the book if Christopher weren't so utterly convinced of his intellectual superiority.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
I liked the book as an autistic teen because so many of the autistic teen boys I was forced to be around were just like him. There's plenty in certain fandoms. (The emotional side I didn't mind, that seemed pretty reasonable).

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, well - I went to an all-girls school, and could count the number of boys I knew in general on both hands, so I suppose that aspect would have completely passed me by.