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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-08-07 06:24 pm

[ SECRET POST #3869 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3869 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Doctor Who]


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[Lucifer]


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[Mandy Patinkin and Okieriete “Oak” Onaodowan in Natasha, Pierre & the Great Comet of 1812]


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[Parks and Rec]


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[Agent Tammy Preston in Twin Peaks]


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[Doctor Who, Eighth Doctor]















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(Anonymous) 2017-08-07 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
People didn't know about the tickey sales till well after it was announced

(Anonymous) 2017-08-07 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Even with that taken into consideration, most people who are even a little bit familiar with theater usually recognize that a show will occasionally bring on a famous person to increase ticket sales and as publicity. It happens all the time and assuming it's a race issue doesn't really make sense in this situation.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-07 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
But it was also an issue where Oak left his scheduled run early to make space for Patinkin. It was at the very best really bad messaging.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-07 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
That wasn't handled well, though if the issue was that ticket sales were so disastrously low that the show was in danger of closing altogether, I could understand the reasoning. But it's still nothing to do with race, and assuming that it's an issue of race seems like jumping to conclusions.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-07 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Being concerned about it as an issue of race was reasonable at the time because of the poor communications. Thinking it was about race now would be silly, but I haven't seen people saying that after the made the full announcement.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry, I don't agree. Maybe if they'd brought on an obscure white guy to replace Onaodowan, I could see people misunderstanding and thinking it's about race. But they didn't. They brought on Mandy Patinkin. He's not just any random white guy, he's a very well known white guy with a long history in movies, TV AND the theater - much, much longer than Onaodowan's. When you see a show announcing a big star taking over a role, it's about money and publicity, period.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think that's really the way people were talking about though. There was more the perception that Oak was treated disrespectfully in a way he might not have been if he was white.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
For that to be true, you'd have to argue that a white actor whose performance wasn't bringing in the expected ticket sales wouldn't have been replaced. I'm not sure that's true? Do shows willingly go bankrupt because they're so racist they're going to blindly give a white actor a huge break even if it's costing them lots of money? I'm a bit skeptical.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
Well, first of all, the whole point is that people didn't know it was a situation where they needed the ticket sales to avoid closing the show. That's the piece that people were unaware of. Obviously they would make more money with Mandy but I don't think people knew it was necessary to keep the show open.

Second, again, it was a question of how the thing was treated and communicated out and the appearance that Oak was being treated disrespectfully for no reason. Again, this turns our not to have been the case, but it was a reasonable assumption because of the bad communication.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 06:09 am (UTC)(link)
I have a feeling you're on this crusade because you really like Patinkin.