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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-08-07 06:24 pm

[ SECRET POST #3869 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3869 ⌋

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[Doctor Who]


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[Lucifer]


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[Mandy Patinkin and Okieriete “Oak” Onaodowan in Natasha, Pierre & the Great Comet of 1812]


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[Parks and Rec]


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[Agent Tammy Preston in Twin Peaks]


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[Doctor Who, Eighth Doctor]















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(Anonymous) 2017-08-07 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Why do people always say they're "not supposed" to like something? I've literally never seen someone actually TELL someone "you're not supposed to like this."

OP

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
No one's directly told me that I'm not supposed to like it, but most of the reviews I've read by actual autistic people complain about how inaccurate and stereotypical the book is. Also, I've read plenty of reviews by neurotypicals who come away from the book with the impression that Christopher is incapable of empathy and love and is somehow responsible for his mother's affair, so there's no denying that the book perpetuates offensive stereotypes. Maybe if the book had gone into more detail about the reasoning behind Christopher's thought processes the reactions would be different, although I'm not sure how Haddon could have done that without making Christopher act out of character.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't actually read the book, but I've seen it staged as a play, and maybe it benefited from having multiple voices (and indeed that did allow for his thought process to be highlighted), but he didn't come across as lacking empathy, or a capacity for love.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 06:27 am (UTC)(link)
I've read plenty of reviews by neurotypicals who come away from the book with the impression that Christopher is incapable of empathy and love and is somehow responsible for his mother's affair

These people have very poor reading comprehension, and it pisses me off that the author is taking the blame for it.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Well I'm one of those awful "neurotypicals" and I read it as no such thing. Maybe it's ignorance not ones thinking style that's to blame?

OP

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not saying any of the people who read it that way were bad or stupid. I know most of them were just misinformed. My point was that the book wasn't doing anything to make them less misinformed. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear on that.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2017-08-11 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT But as a commenter above said, that isn't necessarily down to the book/author and is just as likely to be bad reading comprehension - and unless the book was going to preach at readers and tell them what to think, they read into it what they think they know. Christopher's unusual way of expressing himself and his feelings came across to me not as lack of empathy but as indicative of his communication difficulties/autism. As a parent of an adult with autism I hope I know better than to look at the surface.
And regarding the intellectual 'arrogance' - well he was much brighter than most of the others at his special school and even many NT pupils - in Maths. He just lacked a filter in expressing that as some autistic people do - as was also commented by someone above.
Sorry for being a bit prickly but I do tend to see a lot of " NT people misunderstand and misrepresent us just because they are NT" and it's not so.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah yes, people disagree with you, so they MUST be neurotypical.