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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-08-09 07:12 pm

[ SECRET POST #3971 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3871 ⌋

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[George R.R. Martin]


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(Anonymous) 2017-08-10 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
tbh I hate that 'George R.R. Martin is not your bitch' thing in regards to him finishing the books. We bought his books, we paid him money for them, we have all the right to complain when he doesn't finish them. This isn't fanfic done for fun, it's his job and it's not like he's doing a bunch of other actual work like a day job that might keep him away from them. He just doesn't want to finish them anymore because he's made his money and he's bored, and while fans can't make him finish them people acting like it's so terrible for people who paid money for a book series on the unspoken agreement that it would be finished to get upset and constantly ask him about said finish can bite me.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-10 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
Just because you bought his books doesn't mean he owes you something. You are being entitled.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-10 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
I both agree with this and don't.

IMO, it's understandable that his readers are frustrated, and if they all just decided to ignore everything he creates from here on out, I would basically be like, serves you right dude.

But at the same time, writing a book series isn't the same as being contracted to build a house or something. If a contractor stops halfway through building a house, the house is worse than useless, and they have clearly not fulfilled their obligation. But if an author doesn't finish their book series...they just don't finish it. Writing one book is not a promise that you're going to write more, and readers should probably try to keep that in mind before they begin a series.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-10 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
+1. Even as a non-fan I can totally understand the fans getting frustrated, but yeah. This is one reason why I don't like getting into book series until they're complete.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-10 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
Actually,

Books come in contract runs. Game of Thrones was supposed to be a 3 contract book deal. The first ones got popular, so they expanded it to a 7 contract book deal. So, yes, it is more like a house than you think, at least business wise. Publishers do not like it when authors don't fulfill their contracts.

Third hand, he's stuck. Last I heard, he killed off all the characters he wanted to use to end the story. Which is a good argument for not expanding your book deal. o_o

(Anonymous) 2017-08-10 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
Last I heard, he killed off all the characters he wanted to use to end the story. Which is a good argument for not expanding your book deal.

Eh, where you'd hear that? Dany is alive, Tyrion is alive, political catalysts like Varys and Littlefinger are still alive, Jon Snow is still alive (probably) and there are still three Stark kids, possibly more. Cersei and Jaime. Stannis. The Greyjoy problem. Yeah he's killed off a lot of characters, but it's not like there aren't any left to work with.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-10 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
Books come in contract runs. Game of Thrones was supposed to be a 3 contract book deal. The first ones got popular, so they expanded it to a 7 contract book deal. So, yes, it is more like a house than you think

Except for one, the people he is obligated to are his publishing house. His readers don't come into it, contractually speaking. And contractual obligation is the only kind that's relevant in this situation.

And for two, presumably if he reneges on his contract, he has to reimburse the publishers for his advance, and possibly pay a fine. Which he is presumably able to do.

The only way he's really stuck is if his next book is contractually over due and he doesn't have the means of equitably dissolving his publishing deal.

I mean, frankly, I think that for a big-time author, the endless delay between books and the apparent uncertainty of when the next one can be expected is quite unprofessional. But he's not actually wronging his fans in any quantifiable way.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-10 11:43 am (UTC)(link)
Wow! How do you know so much about his contracts? The series got so popular that GRRM had to expand the story to seven books? It had nothing to do with the fact that the story itself just got too big?

Tell me who wins the Oscars next year.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-10 10:02 am (UTC)(link)
people paid for A book. the book that he wrote and finished. they're paying him after he's done the work, they're not paying him in advance for the books he might write.

he's really not obligated to do it, even if it's shitty
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[personal profile] 4thofeleven 2017-08-10 11:18 am (UTC)(link)
Remember when Feast For Crows ended with basically an apology for not covering any of the main characters or advancing any of the existing plot threads? And, you know, it was all going to be alright because all of that was going to be in the next book, he just couldn't fit it all in one volume because it'd be too long?

And then it took six years for the next book to come out?

Good times!
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[personal profile] arcadiaego 2017-08-14 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I had more sympathy for Not Your Bitch when it was written, which was *eight years ago*. Every year that passes I get a little less understanding.