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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-08-11 07:40 pm

[ SECRET POST #3873 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3873 ⌋

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03. [SPOILERS for Okja]



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04. [WARNING for possible discussion of child abuse]

(Top of the Lake)

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05. [WARNING for discussion of rape]
http://i.imgur.com/is8E7se.jpg
[Twin Peaks 2017, linked for TV-sex]

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[personal profile] fscom 2017-08-11 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
05. [WARNING for discussion of rape]
http://i.imgur.com/is8E7se.jpg
[Twin Peaks 2017, linked for TV-sex]

(Anonymous) 2017-08-11 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
OMFG

David Lynch's work is intentionally problematic. All of it.

Why the fuck are you people watching Twin Peaks if this stuff bothers you so much.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-12 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
OP doesn't sound terribly bothered to me. Are you sure it's not you who's being triggered by even mild criticism of the show? Maybe you should avoid Twin Peaks secrets if this stuff bothers you so much.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-12 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
lol k

(Anonymous) 2017-08-12 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
+1 Lately there's been anon comments every time a Twin Peaks secret comes up that isn't gushing praise that's all "OMFG why are you people watching this blah blah blah". LOL, someone is mad. And bored, I guess.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-12 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
Why are you trying to police OP's reaction to the scene

(Anonymous) 2017-08-12 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
I'm genuinely curious why you'd watch something you thought was misogynistic, "rapey," etc.

And no, I'm not a huge Twin Peaks fan, I just think it's bizarre that people would scrutinize David Lynch's work using 21st century sociopolitical standards because it's inevitably going to come up short by design.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-12 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
It's hard to answer because I'm not OP. But presumably, they watch it because they enjoy it, while also thinking that some aspects of it are bad to them. I don't see what's incorrect about reacting to something like that - liking parts of it and disliking others.

And no, I'm not a huge Twin Peaks fan, I just think it's bizarre that people would scrutinize David Lynch's work using 21st century sociopolitical standards because it's inevitably going to come up short by design.

I wouldn't talk about it in terms of "scrutiny" and "coming up short". I think using that lens can help understand different aspects of the work. I don't think people who are using that lens are necessarily going to use it to dismiss the show entirely. OP certainly doesn't seem to have done so.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-12 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't say it was "incorrect," and I'm not "policing" anyone.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-12 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
How would OP know that scene was "rapey" before they'd seen it? They're not psychic, presumably. Or perhaps that like many viewers, they don't feel the need to ragequit a whole series the very first time they encounter something they're not comfortable with? I also don't think it's weird that people would watch Twin Peaks using a modern context because this isn't the Twin Peaks of 1990. Lynch is making it for a 2017 (and beyond) audience.
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[personal profile] feotakahari 2017-08-12 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know much about Lynch. What do you mean by "problematic" in this context?

(Anonymous) 2017-08-12 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
sex with a mentally disabled person

(Anonymous) 2017-08-12 02:48 am (UTC)(link)
Long story short:

Dale has taken the place of someone else's husband. He doesn't know who he is and is almost retarded (I.e. he only repeats what other says, he is befuddled by normal things, will get stuck in a door, etc).

The wife, like everyone else, doesn't know that anything is wrong with him. She engages in sex with him and the scene is in the resulting pic. So the consent is questionable-- he has the mind of a child, he's not her husband, etc. But neither of them are aware of that.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-12 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
What a convenient excuse. Reminds me of the "it's bad on purpose" arguments I've seen for other shows and movies.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-12 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
There's nothing 'convenient', he's always been about pushing the envelope.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-12 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt

Sorry, but I don't really buy the "it's problematic on purpose" argument, unless of course you have a citation for where Lynch has said this? Keep in mind that pushing the envelope =/= deliberately problematic.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-12 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
David Lynch isn't some special snowflake who needs a safe space so I doubt he'd use the word "problematic" to begin with.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-12 03:27 am (UTC)(link)
"Naomi Watts' hip action when she's riding him is so hot Imma let it pass"

OP doesn't sound very bothered, anon. I'm wondering if you're bringing some baggage to this discussion and that's what you're reacting to rather than the content of the secret because I'm not seeing where you're getting the idea that OP is up in arms about the show. You actually sound more annoyed than OP does, tbh.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-13 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
Before this scene, Janey-E asks Dougie if he finds her attractive. He says nothing and takes a big bite of his chocolate cake. I took that as a big fat hell yes.

The only reason anybody has a problem with this scene is because his flopping arms are so awkward and cringey. The whole thing is like watching your parents have sex. And we're not used to that - we're used to sex scenes being titillating.
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[personal profile] arcadiaego 2017-08-14 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
It was one of those things with TP where I wasn't sure how creeped out I was supposed to be. (I was very creeped out. He acts like a 4 year old child.)