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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-08-12 03:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #3874 ]


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(Anonymous) 2017-08-13 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not a dog expert, but I've never gotten the rabid hate he inspires. His books and show seem like a perfectly reasonable method of dog training. People act like he's advocating puppy whipping or somewhere. I don't get it.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-13 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
His method of dominating and that being the only way to train a dog isn't always abusive, but it can be. But even when it isn't, it isn't the only or even the best way to train a dog. Unlike what he says, you don't have to teach the dog who is boss to train him. You don't have to dominate. Dogs aren't wolves.

For any pet, both cats and dogs, the best training method is positive rewards for good things and ignoring for bad things. You don't have to dominate them, and you shouldn't.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-13 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for explaining how you see it. I agree not all methods could ever work for all dogs!

Also having learned a little more about wolves, they don't really work that way, either. The studies that showed wolves are all about alpha dynamics and violent fighting to maintain control of the pack were conducted with a bunch of unrelated wolves put into a confined space, and yeah, that's not how they work in the wild, always fighting among themselves.

In the wild, a more natural dynamic involves a lot of cooperation, generally revolves around family, and has a lot less fighting, more respect for elders, etc. So yeah. I can see how the mindset that dominating is the best way could definitely be self-defeating, even for understanding wolves.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-13 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
They're not reasonable if you understand anything about dogs. He uses negative reinforcement a lot. So basically your dog ends up doing what you want out of fear rather than any positive feeling like love or enjoyment. And considering dogs are basically trapped with their humans, unable to leave or choose another family to live with, they're basically stuck in this abusive life.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-13 04:29 am (UTC)(link)
That sounds so sad. :(

(Anonymous) 2017-08-13 08:39 am (UTC)(link)
there are words that exist among those times.

discipline and running wild....
don't be so lenient towards things that have flesh and blood with it.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-13 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
I have no idea what the full context of this is (I don't even know WHO the guy on the left is), but... doing a Q&A with someone =/= agreeing with everything they've done. Especially if, from what it sounds like, it was the network's idea.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-13 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
But he's the cat guy, right? Does he even know anything about training dogs? Like the above anon said, he's not necessarily agreeing with Ceasar's methods, especially since he may not have any idea how to judge those methods.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-13 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
I had a friend who used to go way overboard with the "dominance" thing with his dog. Constantly snarling and snapping at him, mimicking a "wolf", or at least his idea of one. I wondered why the dog liked him at all since he was always harassing that poor dog. At least the dog was smart and independent and seemed to have good self esteem, he didn't look afraid around the guy or anything and seemed to just tolerate it as "stupid human stuff".

(Anonymous) 2017-08-13 10:20 am (UTC)(link)
Honestly, I lost some respect for Jackson a few seasons into My Cat From Hell when he started unnecessarily escalating situations and pushing the cats' "challenge lines" for the sake of creating drama. Early on he'd come in and offer the cats his glasses to smell, put them at their ease and would never try to touch them if they were distressed. Now he always goes in hands first and tries to get them to lash out.
Given this development, chances are he is unfortunately willing to go against his own better judgement WRT animal welfare if he's told to by his producers/the network.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-13 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
For anyone curious about animal training and why Milan's methods are questionable at best (and abusive at worst), check out "Don't Shoot The Dog" by Karen Pryor. She clearly explains positive reinforcement training, how it works, and why positive punishment does not. Here's a PDF link: http://clawbiespups.yolasite.com/resources/Don't%20shoot%20the%20dog.pdf

Hell, even if you don't care about Milan's garbage, she does a really good job of explaining some otherwise confusing psychological principles.