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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-09-04 07:01 pm

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Meh

(Anonymous) 2017-09-04 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure it's that easy for actors to throw their director/producer under the bus, especially not along with another actor. But you'll get no argument from me about Adam Baldwin.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-04 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly affairs and casting couch are pretty common. Not to say that it's not wrong, but I doubt any of the actors who have worked with him would be shocked. That's also not touching on the fact that Hollywood likes to blacklist actor/actresses who do speak out.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-04 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
they didn't go public with it =/= they told no one. going public about that kind of thing (if you're not, y'know, actually one of the people in the relationship) is already considered tacky if your idea of 'public' limits itself to your facebook feed, as opposed to the hundreds of thousands of complete strangers (ie fans) that would refer to in this context.

... plus, his wife is a person, too. if this was my husband, i wouldn't necessarily want the entire freaking world to discuss this unless i was ready for that kind of attention. the situation is shitty and hurtful enough without unwanted input.

and then there's the factor of it just not being good press to shittalk your former boss. especially not if he's gotten you some amount of success. it's a business, at the end of the day.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-04 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure it's entirely fair to blame them for not blowing the whistle. The entertainment industry is a small world and the writer/director you out as a asshole today could be in charge of deciding whether or not you get hired somewhere else down the line. Not to mention that every other asshole director who considers perving on young actresses one of the perks of the job will think twice about working with you.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-04 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Would you publicly shit talk your boss and risk getting black balled in a ridiculously competitive industry?

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 09:40 am (UTC)(link)
Especially given how much fandom love there was for the Whedonverse. I mean, can you imagine one of the actors criticising him and the backlash?

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-04 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Probably a combination of 1) this sort of thing just happens in Hollywood, I'd imagine, 2) not wanting to endanger their current job or later career, 3) being torn between disproving of his actions and still liking him and feeling a sense of loyalty, 4) not wanting to raise a lot of fuss, which would encompass not only him, but them (and they may not want that), whomever he was having affairs with (women they might regard as friends and don't want to expose to negative publicity), his wife, his kids (does he have kids?), and all kinds of other people who aren't actually at fault but may get dragged in anyway.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-04 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
How can you be sure they knew ?
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[personal profile] liz_marcs 2017-09-05 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. This. I'm more inclined to believe that most people involved with Whedon's productions didn't actually know.

The only people who might've known were people who were in Whedon's inner circle, which seemed to be the actors and writers who'd gather at Whedon's house and do Shakespeare readings/jam sessions/brunch. That group, as far as I know, included Amy Acker, Alexis Denisof, Alyson Hannigan, James Marsters, Anthony Stewart Head, Amber Benson, and, later on, Michele Trachtenberg. There may have been more, but those are the names I specifically remember Whedon name-checking as part of his Shakespeare crew.

(Wow. See me pull up the gossip memory banks...)

But even there, I'm willing to bet not all of even Joss's inner circle knew about it. Although I wouldn't be terribly surprised if some of them did.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-04 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Not that this is the case anyway, but if my boss were famous (if cult famous more than widely famous), and I liked the industry I worked for, there's no way I'd say anything more than "yep, Bossperson is a wonderful, inspiring woman to work for."

Also, apparently if you read between the lines - or even if you don't - some cast members have alluded to things not being so great. I read one transcript with Charisma Carpenter, and she's obviously trying very hard to be tactful.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-04 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
To be fair, she killed her career by hiding her pregnancy when she was on Angel. The issue wasn't that she was pregnant, it was that she didn't tell anyone and the whole production team had to scramble to accommodate her when she finally did tell them that in a few weeks she was going to take several months of maternity leave. I love her to pieces but that is just wrong in any workplace and particularly poor form for an actor in a starring role. She actually seems to understand that now but she was obviously very bitter for a long time and specifically blamed Joss.

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-04 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
people are cowards and sycophants, what else is new.

why do you think cosby got away with his shit for so long?

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
I also suspect that the extent / number of times that he was unfaithful might be getting inflated by those eager to jump on the hate wagon.

I'm reserving judgement until people start coming forward.

(See: the anon that compared this to Cosby)

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
+10000000

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
Wait, we hate Adam Baldwin now? What did he do?

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
Pretty sure we've hated him forever and I think it's because he's Republican. I'm a bit fuzzy on that since I didn't actually know who the guy was until like a year ago. I thought he must be one of the Baldwin brothers.

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(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
Nothing is better for an actor's career than publicly airing their powerful producer's dirty laundry.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know all the details, but I'm not sure how obligated the cast and crew are to rat out their boss for cheating on his wife.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
Although I can agree that nobody on set would have wanted to take the story public in case it hurt their careers- maybe they like him and he's their friend and they really didn't want to hurt him or their other friend he slept with. What would *you* do if this happened at *your* job when you like your job and your boss and your coworkers? This news doesn't make him a monster whose friends are required to publicly shame and ostracize him. He's not Bill Cosby.

It's also possible they didn't want to because not all of them were exactly faithful to their own partners either. You cannot seriously tell me Whedon and the women he slept with were the only people on those sets cheating or otherwise having inappropriate hookups. If Alexis and Alison fell in love on set and made it legal, can't we assume there were other less honest couplings going on?

Don't we aaaalll know about David Boreanaz? Or any of the other rumors which have circulated for years? Fidelity is rare in the entertainment industry, whether it's movie stars or a small town high school drama club.

Anyway, Joss Whedon's not a priest or some sort of family values political candidate or an outspoken conservative (like Baldwin). And as long as the women he slept with were consenting adults...

Then I am still baffled as to why any of this was any of our business until his ex made it public. It's *interesting gossip* and may shed some light on things about the shows he ran which seemed confusing but it should only shock people who thought he was some sort of flawless god in the first place.

Was "I'd never cheat on my wife" a part of his public feminist platform? If it wasn't, then, your fault for assuming he was the picture of moral perfection just because he agrees that women should have rights.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
Re: Whedon and feminism, it's not just the cheating on your wife thing people are objecting to, it's the power imbalance involved between the actresses vs. the guy who can have them fired. If Whedon's wife was telling the truth, Whedon was well aware of that imbalance of power and frankly, it sounds like he was more than a little turned on by it.

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[personal profile] forgottenjester 2017-09-05 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
1. How do you know all of them knew? Cause I gotta say in the several lines of work I've done I only found out about the gossipy shit after the fact because I make it a point to keep my head down. I figure some people are the same.

2. If you were in that position would you feel okay with losing your job over it? And any jobs in that industry for the rest of the foreseeable future? Would it be your place to "go public" or would you quietly tell the person being cheated on. 'Cause here's another thing to add to what others have said, would the victim, the person being cheated on, would they want you to tell a reporter instead of telling them? Would they want the public to know or would they want to do a quiet breakup? You wouldn't know. It's a delicate matter and we don't have nearly enough information to understand what everyone was thinking/feeling and what exactly was going on.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
Or...maybe they figured rumors are sometimes just rumors and didn't wanna throw a guy they liked working with under the bus in public like that, over something that's really none of their business in the first place?

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Seriously?

If I found out my boss was cheating on their spouse, I'd think it was icky but I would also know it was 1000% none of my business, and definitely not in any way my place to comment on it or involve myself in any manner. It's sleazy but it's not illegal, and it's not any of the staff/cast/crew's problem (unless they're personally intimately involved).

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[personal profile] arcadiaego 2017-09-05 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
It wasn't their business. He's not an abuser or a criminal.