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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-09-04 07:01 pm

[ SECRET POST #3897 ]


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(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
Re: Whedon and feminism, it's not just the cheating on your wife thing people are objecting to, it's the power imbalance involved between the actresses vs. the guy who can have them fired. If Whedon's wife was telling the truth, Whedon was well aware of that imbalance of power and frankly, it sounds like he was more than a little turned on by it.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
If they're throwing themselves at his head, is he obligated to say "no" because "power imbalance"? To me, it's one thing if he's the aggressor. It's quite another if he's not.

SA

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
Leaving aside the whole "cheating" aspect. He's a shitty person for cheating on his wife. But the women he was sleeping with were also shitty for sleeping with a married man.

It's just gross behavior all around.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 02:33 am (UTC)(link)
I would say yes.

In the same way that, if a college student came on to a professor, it still would not be right for the professor to sleep with the student.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
Yep. Unethical AF.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
+1

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
A film production is very much about a bunch of individuals coming together to complete a shared project.

An educational enviroment is about a bunch of individuals of one status - a status that marks them as underlings - being instructed by a seperate individual of a different and more elevated status.

They're not the same thing, and comparing them as though they were the same is disingenuous. The dynamics of a film set are far more multifasceted and multi-directional.

If it comes out that Whedon was the aggressor in the situation, I will consider his actions to have been unethical and parasitic. But until that time, as far as I'm concerned, the people involved were colleagues, having sex of their own choosing and for their own reasons.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 04:56 am (UTC)(link)
I'm NAYRT, for the record.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
But Whedon was still in a position of authority and power relative to the rest of the people working in the movie. That's the point of the teacher analogy: like a teacher, the director of a film is in a position of authority, and a significant power imbalance exists.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
it's one thing if he's the aggressor. It's quite another if he's not.

Yes, this.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 05:16 pm (UTC)(link)
No, not this. Power exists and to pretend it doesn't is disingenuous.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Gotta say, I'm a bit skeeved out by the way you're determined to make this a victim narrative for the adult women who participated in it - without having any evidence that your victim narrative aligns with reality.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Almost as skeevy as the anon(s) who seem determined to rationalize this as being somehow not at all Whedon's fault - without having any evidence that this "what if the actress was the aggressor" narrative aligns with reality.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-05 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
NAYRT but I'm really not sure what you mean by "victim narrative". Like... it's still a lapse in ethics on his part regardless of whether any harm was done. In my opinion. It is the sort of thing one ought not do and which is wrong to do when one is in a position of power.

And one reason for that is because being in a position of power makes it really hard to evaluate how genuinely interested and consenting the other party is.