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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-10-29 11:27 am
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Warning: post and links may be triggering.

Sorry to spam with non-fandom related things, but I felt this was important enough to warrant a post. Somebody was erroneously namedropped in the thread in yesterday's post regarding a rapist, and is dealing with the fallout of it now -

http://fandomsecrets.livejournal.com/780630.html?thread=493278038#t493278038

Seriously guys, please doublecheck before dropping actual names/usernames in serious issues like this. I'm all for people being safe, but not for dragging innocent people through the mud as collateral damage. These two people are pretty obviously not the same person.

Thanks.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-29 03:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know if this is relevant, but you might want to know that this whole thing has made it to 4chan by now. http://boards.4chan.org/cgl/res/5110461

(Anonymous) 2011-10-29 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I am not seeing where that guy was accused of being the rapist, apart from the initials "TC".

Surely saying that there is a rapist named "TC" is not libel against all people named "TC". There was a mass murderer named Anders also...
http://www.google.com/search?q=linkedin+anders&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

Is there some specific connection that I didn't see?

[identity profile] failaga.livejournal.com 2011-10-29 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, FTR, people picked up his username and were Replurking out a collection of 'information' compiled which included... information on him muddled in.

So, like Case said, it just wasn't caught fast enough before someone picked it up.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-29 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Whoever this whyljrpwhy person is, they're a total douche.

"but while it is sad that an unrelated individual may have been subjected to online harassment that will probably not affect his job or RL activities, it is much sadder that there is a serial rapist fucking young girls up at cons."

Dude got falsely accused of being a serial rapist and spread online. Pretty sure that'll effect his real life.

[identity profile] cdaae.livejournal.com 2011-10-29 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. And you can think serial rape is worse, and still think [livejournal.com profile] whyljrpwhy is behaving like a total douche. :/

[identity profile] megalomaniageek.livejournal.com 2011-10-29 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly. Thinking one is worse than the other doesn't mean you think the horribleness of the crime justifies false accusation.

[identity profile] schizophrenic0.livejournal.com 2011-10-29 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
This. I don't get why some people constantly make things into "either/or" situations.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-29 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)
The thing that irks me most is they mentioned him receiving death threats the sentence before, tacked on a "This is bad, mmkay?" notice, and then continued to go on saying despite all that the guy's personal life would probably continue on as if nothing had happened.

That and in the very thread that got posted here, they outright told the guy "Well you said some not very nice stuff in the past so it's your own fault people think you're a rapist."

whyljrpwhy isn't even a member or is even watching fandsomsecrets and admits on their profile they don't even visit anoncomms. It seems like the only reason they even showed up was to stir shit up and send a lynch mob after whoever they could because even after this guy proved himself innocent, they still cast doubt and blamed him for letting himself be suspect in the first place.

Sorry to rant on about this but it's a fucking shame when something like this happens to an innocent person and yet sometime still stands there in the shadows and still persists to try and get them ruined for something.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-29 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Please perma-ban whyljrpwhy. This person has caused great harm and shows no remorse for what s/he has done or even understanding that this sort of thing is wrong. I genuinely do not want to be part of a community where such a character is free to express his/her vagrantly false thoughts.

And also, I hope you realize that there is also a reason why people were willing to believe this serial rapist was you -- it was not just people wildly flipping out and starting a witch hunt.


Is he going to lose his job? Is his RL going to be affected by this?

No, YOU get out. Of this planet.



The statistic I've heard is that 1 in 4 or 1 in 6 women have been raped. Mostly they are raped by people they already know: friends, acquaintances, family. People they trusted. So this "how dare you accuse me of being a rapist, I don't act like a rapist" thing? You have to understand: actually yes you do. Actually many guys do.

This statistic is completely (http://aspiringeconomist.com/index.php/2009/09/11/rape-statistics-1-in-4/) false (http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/02/one-in-four-lie-demolished-once-and-for.html) and whyljrpwhy uses it to further his/her misinformed lies.


And I never did anything to him, I'm not sure why I've become the spokesperson for the people who wanted to hunt him down and kill him


What giant clusterfuck of a mistake was that?


What I did then was think: I don't know if it's the TC I know, but I agree that his behavior in the past does lend credence to that conclusion. Then I reblogged that post, which included no information about where he lives and no call to arms, but rather mentions who his RP characters are so you can avoid the fuck out of him.

Fandom!Secrets is a community I am comfortable with because of my ability to remain anonymous or use a sock account if I so choose. I do not have to fear that my fandom-related debates and comments about highly charged issues are connected to my main LJ account. I do not feel the need to provide my real name to clear accusations of sexual assault.

What whyljrpwhy has done is not a simple, light-hearted matter or one that should be overlooked easily. S/he has permanently marked the person she accused to the point that he may never be able to remove the stigma from his various usernames and his own, personal, irl name. This is not fun and games: this is a deliberate smearing of someone's name with an act considered reprehensible in any culture. No, death threats were not involved, but that does not make what whyljrpwhy did any less serious. With whyljrpwhy around, I may have to reconsider spending time at this comm.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-29 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought technophile already banned whyljrpwhy. Trouble is, s/he could just post anon, and there's not much technophile can do about that.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-29 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Technically, he could stop allowing anonymous comments. But that wouldn't fly very well with the users who don't have a livejournal account.


...They could probably make an account exclusively for commenting here, but I can see why some people would think it's not worth it just for commenting on their secret, or something.

Also, if anonymous comments weren't allowed, the op wouldn't have been able to tell us her story and give us her warning.

So, um, yeah.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-29 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
You can permaban IPs IIRC. Again, there isn't anything he can do about it if he gets a new IP, but maybe he's got a static IP.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-30 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, I must've been thinking of something else then. Too bad.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-29 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
The statistic I've heard is that 1 in 4 or 1 in 6 women have been raped. Mostly they are raped by people they already know: friends, acquaintances, family. People they trusted. So this "how dare you accuse me of being a rapist, I don't act like a rapist" thing? You have to understand: actually yes you do. Actually many guys do.

This statistic is completely false and whyljrpwhy uses it to further his/her misinformed lies.

Actually, your citation is complete misinformation.

Citations:

Tjaden, P., & Thoennes, N. (1998). Prevalence, incidence, and consequences of violence against women: Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey (National Institute of Justice and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention). Washington, DC: Government Printing Office, 1998.

Russell, D.E., & Bolen, R.M. (2000). The Epidemic of Rape and Sexual Abuse in the United States. Thousand Oaks, CA: Sage Publications.

Also, a lot of work done by Mary Koss and published in peer-reviewed journals backs up the 1 in 3 to 1 in 6 statistic. These statistics show the chances of someone being sexually assaulted in their lifetimes.

The website you gave was a blog that directs people to another guy who just looked at prevalence of sexual assault in one year at schools. He completely misses the fact that a good number of sexual assaults take place before people get to college and it erroneously tries to use college reports of sexual assault to generalize to other people's sexual assault experiences.

One in 4 (to 1 in 6) women aren't being sexually assaulted every year. It's a lifetime statistic. Therefore, as much as he tried to discredit the statistic based on his misunderstanding, it's still accepted within the larger sexual assault research community.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-29 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
da Thanks for this.

(The first given by the original anon also seems to believe that having sex you don't want to have against your will isn't rape, so I'm dismissing that.)

However, it was really messed up of whyljrpwhy to use rape statistics to excuse this. The point wasn't even that he didn't "act like a rapist," it was that he wasn't the person they were talking about, which he wasn't.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-29 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
thank you <3

If anyone's curious to look at the 4chan thread, it plummets from "here is a warning about a rapist" to "I'm not sure I believe her" to "she said she's worried she'll be dismissed as whining about consensual sex she regrets" to "she is just whining about consensual sex she regrets to" to "lying cunt, I hope her life is destroyed" and eventually, "women are horrible".

Very telling picture of attitudes towards rape and rape reporting.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-29 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
wait, there was a 4chan thread?

i want to be surprised they said that, but hey, anonymous, no social repercussions, pack mentality, etc. etc.

some people >:(

(Anonymous) 2011-10-29 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Thread's in the first comment at the top, but seeing as I just clicked it out of curiosity and basically wanted to shower after, I wouldn't recommend it.

My 'favorite' was the comment along the lines of (this is a paraphrase), "Women are lying bitches; I wouldn't be surprised if my ex-girlfriends pulled shit like this."

(Anonymous) 2011-10-30 03:26 am (UTC)(link)
That comment just makes me wonder how much said anon actually knows about what actual consent means, and whether or not his ex-girlfriends actually consented or just put up with him because they had had enough.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-30 03:52 am (UTC)(link)
MTE. That he thinks his ex-gfs would accuse him of rape says way more about him than it does about them.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-30 06:14 am (UTC)(link)
My ex-girlfriend has accused me of rape, and more besides.
I think it says more about my taste in partners than it does about a gender as a whole.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-30 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
if anything, comparing LJ, plurk and 4chan just tell me people regardless of sex and gender are equally likely to jump to conclusions in a way that only serves their personal biases.

I hope this will be a lesson for everyone.

(Anonymous) 2011-11-02 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, assuming that a misogynist creep might be a rapist is just as bad as assuming women who try to talk about their rapes are horrible lying cunts.

Really.

If there's any lesson to be taken away from this, it's that people in general think women are less important than men, period, and we should always care more about the poor falsely accused man than the rape victim.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-29 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I know it's been said in jest before, but I have never seen a better for why I don't want to live on this fucking planet anymore.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-29 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Somehow I knew this was going to get taken out of control. I saw the initial post with the warning before the insanity and I've seen this shit before. It was from another big blowout dramafest on LJ about a known rapist at a con. I agree that I'm all for people being safe and awareness, but that's just it. You can stay safe by being aware and making smart decisions. Every time someone goes out they could be in the vicinity of a rapist, so learn to take necessary precautions. That's it. And for the love of all things on LJ, don't bring bullshit like this into it and don't be stupid enough to fall for shit on the internet. Just because one person said it was that guy's name doesn't make it true. They could have a grudge or something against him, who knows? Question everything.

(Anonymous) 2011-11-02 06:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Why the fuck has this pile of victimblaming shit not been deleted.

"No, you shouldn't try to get rid of rapists and make them not attend cons, you should just be more careful! Silly women, don't you know if you're raped it's your fault for not being careful enough?"

[identity profile] everypoembreaks.livejournal.com 2011-10-29 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm really disappointed in this post. Yes, it is actually incredibly triggering and given that I did not join this community to have this kind of post show up on my flist, I'm sincerely disappointed that the absolute bare minimum effort of cutting this post couldn't be taken.

Furthermore, I am really uncomfortable being subjected to this "poor falsely accused man" stuff particularly when there have been absolutely no positive posts to "balance" this out. If this community was the site of regular, reasoned discourse on sexual assault, this would be one thing. As it stands, it reads like an attack on anyone who tries to report/share information.

This is uncomfortably familiar for me and sufficiently triggering to force me to unfriend/leave this community.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-30 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
i'm sorry you were triggered, but it says, right as the top Warning: post and links may be triggering.

(Anonymous) 2011-11-02 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
da

you know, there are all sorts of different triggers, it could be that you should warn for the content of the post. it's one thing to be triggered by blood, another about rape, another about assault, etc.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-30 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry you got triggered. But you know, the mods would be remiss if they did not try and clear someone's name when they were falsely accused (and their real name and pic were dragged into it too).

(Anonymous) 2011-10-30 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow. It's all about you, isn't it? I'm sure that poor person got "triggered" when they were falsely accused of rape by sloppy anons and got internet shunned.

(Anonymous) 2011-11-02 06:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, fuck you.

Technophile, why the hell did you even unscreen this utterly disgusting comment?

(Anonymous) 2011-11-02 06:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I just got here now, but I agree with you completely. What the fuck is this "OH THIS POOR FALSELY ACCUSED MAN" bullshit? What the hell does technophile think he's doing?

(Anonymous) 2011-10-30 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
This is why I was uncomfortable about the entire thread to begin with. Internet witch hunts can and do turn very ugly, very fast.

[identity profile] baka-deshi.livejournal.com 2011-10-30 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for making this post. The discovery that an innocent person had been dragged into this only makes the situation worse. Thanks for helping to correct it.