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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-12-21 02:06 pm
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The new commenting system on LJ sucks, I think we can all agree (and all the other prospective design changes seem to be speeding it down the path of no return). Knowing LJ, it's probably not going to change no matter how much anybody complains, and as this comm is heavily based on user comments, it's probably time to consider moving. Dreamwidth is the closest to LJ's old format and has a large fandom base, and seems the best alternative for now.

So -

[Poll #1804842]

Other thoughts?

(As a note, I'm completely willing to either stay or move. Updating the comm is easy enough for me either way.)

ETA - It's not only about subject lines. Others have written up potential problems better than I could:
http://lj-releases.livejournal.com/71858.html?thread=7005874#t7005874
http://lj-releases.livejournal.com/71858.html?thread=6261682#t6261682
ETA 4 - http://lj-releases.livejournal.com/71858.html?thread=7952050#t7952050

ETA 2 - For those worried about possibly needing to make DW accounts to comment, if a move happens: you don't need one! OpenID will let you comment as an LJ user (in the same way Facebook users can comment on LJ).

ETA 3 - For those worried about missing updates: I can crosspost to LJ to let you know a post is up, I don't mind that (it's like a minute of extra work, no problem) - if the DW move happens though, the comments would be over there.

ETA 5 - Apparently, this is what we're getting next year.

Changes?

[identity profile] shannenb.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I must be the only person in all of LJ whose commenting system hasn't changed. It still looks for me pretty much the way it has looked for the last year.

[identity profile] aethre.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it changed for me, but it just looks like aesthetic changes, not functional changes. So I'm pretty confused right now, especially since this is the first time I've been on LJ in a few days.

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Just a test

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Re: Changes?

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[identity profile] caersmane.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I would hate to lose FS but I won't be moving to DW, so please don't leave LJ

[identity profile] clo-sama.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Same here...
And to be honest I don't think these changes are that big a deal, it's pretty much the same to me, we just need some time to adjust.

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[identity profile] jurisimmortalis.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Scribbld is a good alternative.

[identity profile] 10littlebullets.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I vote to wait until Saturday, then switch to Dreamwidth if necessary and mirror posts on LJ with commenting disabled. Or partial mirror with a link/fake cut to the DW post. I know I'm probably not the only one who has a Dreamwidth account in order to comment and read friends' locked posts, but doesn't check their DW flist regularly.

(Anonymous) 2011-12-21 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
+1

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(Anonymous) 2011-12-21 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
If you change your layout, you get your comment titles back.

(Anonymous) 2011-12-21 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow. I knew it was bad, but I didn't really appreciate HOW bad until trying to write this comment just now. I can't vote, but for what it's worth: move. Now. Even if LJ fixes this crap, they cannot be trusted not to break it again in the future.
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[identity profile] kartos.livejournal.com 2011-12-22 05:31 am (UTC)(link)
Annnnd I was sitting here all, it can't be THAT bad... then I clicked my icons and died inside. I have 132 icons, and it's ~showing~ ALL OF THEM IN A LIST, that I have to scroll through. ughghgdshfjkh Also, since I'm not paid, they're not all accessible, but is it telling me that? Nope! Unless I remember which icons I can use and which I can't, it's probably going to screw this up.

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[identity profile] thinkxpink.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I hate the new commenting system but I won't be moving from livejournal and I would hate to lose fandomsecrets so I voted no.

[identity profile] synnerxx.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Fly by icon love.

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[identity profile] caz-kenobi.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd rather you stay here because I don't use my DW much at all, but then I only really read FS so the changes in comment posting don't bother me much at all

[identity profile] kelly-h80.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Does anyone have pics of the new commenting system because I'm not seeing any changes with mine yet?

[identity profile] quinnzel.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/881/screenshot20111221at112.png

Horrible.

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(Anonymous) 2011-12-21 07:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Would you have any interest in playing around with the layout? It seems that if you change from the default layout you can get it to look pretty similar to what it was before - I really know nothing about how to do any of this stuff, but there's lots of talk of it here http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/25251.html?page=4#comments and some here http://spnanonhaven.livejournal.com/18819.html?thread=90452867#t90452867 and here http://xmen-firstkink.livejournal.com/7398.html#comments

[identity profile] fickletastictot.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Waiting until Saturday can give us more time to make accounts/get settled in at our site of choice. (My preference would be DW.)

[identity profile] aenrhien.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I say wait until Saturday, then move to either Dreamwidth or IJ and just mirror posts here or some such for the people who want to still see the secrets and don't want to move.

[identity profile] sxiz.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
ew ij, can we not go there

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[identity profile] puckyducky.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:19 pm (UTC)(link)
If you move to dreamwidth, I'll have to say goodbye to reading it every day since you started. :|

I don't really see the problem you have with the new comment system, can you be more specific why it sucks in regards to fandomsecrets?

[identity profile] decuvieri.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Most standard styles no longer have comment titles, and those that still do have it only show the "title" as bolded text in the comment when viewed in the standard layouts. This is an integral function in how FS posts are organized when users comment on the secrets.

Personally, I'm all for moving to DW. Plus it's pretty much a given this site is going to be under attack in the future from the Russian authorities.



Curious: Is there a crosspost functionality with communities on DW like with personal journals?
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(Anonymous) 2011-12-21 07:19 pm (UTC)(link)
http://manonon.livejournal.com/6816.html

The layout's only going to get worse.

But... I think we should wait until moving.
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[personal profile] luxken27 2011-12-21 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Was just coming to post this. Comment pages are just the tip of the iceberg, folks. LJ's about to have a complete makeover.

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[identity profile] wayya.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Would it solve the problem to switch to a S2 layout? Apparently they kept the previous features.

(Anonymous) 2011-12-21 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
It's definitely helped a lot on several other comms/memes I've seen.

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[identity profile] sxiz.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
there's always just using a custom comment page. there are people trying to amke a layout that looks pretty much like the old one now.

[identity profile] rosehiptea.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I already have a DW account but I still want this comm to stay here to be honest. I'd miss all the people who might not come over.

... Does this community have a paid account? Because in that case there's a way to fix the subject line problem in S2.

Apparently:

1 — Make sure the community’s account level is either Plus or Paid.

2 — Switch the community’s layout to Minimalism — Georgia.

3 — Go to Customize your theme —> Display and ensure that the “Disable customized comment pages for your journal” option is checked “No.”

Ta-da! It’s not perfect, but you’ll have comment pages that look like the old ones, and you’ll have subject lines.


(Sorry if this is old news/already tried. And I'm not saying I don't get why people are pissed at LJ; I just... really don't want the community to leave if at all possible. Also I'd be willing to chip in a few months of paid time, as much as I might not like to give LJ money. I'm not rich but I just got my holiday bonus and I like this place.)
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[identity profile] photoash.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
You only need a plus not paid.

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[identity profile] myuki-chan.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Custom comment pages on S2 layouts is a temporary fix until they decide to do away with comment subject titles entirely. I switched mine over and it's pretty much like before.

[identity profile] hermione-vader.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe we should just try complaining anyway? Maybe they will see the light on something this big.

[identity profile] allwasnew.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Last time I was on their latest update post, there were about 90 pages of complaints. That was more than an hour ago though, so I couldn't tell you the number now. Quite a bit higher, I'd imagine.

They've basically stamped it "non-negotiable" and are pointedly ignoring the fact that nobody asked for it and everybody hates it.

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[identity profile] quinnzel.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not moving to Dreamwidth. New comment system is horrible okay, but we've endured a lot of shitty changes at LJ and none of them have been things that I haven't been able to personally adjust to (with the exception of the HTML font... still not over that).

(Anonymous) 2011-12-21 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Same opinion. HTML font seems to be gone though, huzzah!

[identity profile] kelly-h80.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:27 pm (UTC)(link)
There is some good with the new layout though. It least now when you refresh the page you can see were the new comments are.

(Anonymous) 2011-12-21 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I like this as well.

[identity profile] p-zeitgeist.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I really hate the new system, and would be happy to follow the community to DW (which has great comment functionality). But it seems reasonable to wait at least a few days to see whether there's any chance that LJ will do something to ameliorate the situation here -- and, of course, to give rolling notice to comm watchers and members who're not online as often as they might be at other times of the year.

But mostly, I'm commenting now to thank you for being on top of this situation, whatever the decision may ultimately be.

[identity profile] oxymoronic.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I reckon stick with it and see if LJ reacts to people's opinions. Everyone abandoned ship on delicious when it changed however long ago and it's basically back to where it was, now.

Also, I kind of prefer it. The icon selection is really nice, and other than that the changes are mostly aesthetic. Although I have quite a high-functioning computer so I could understand if it's running slower on other people's system it'd be a pain.

[identity profile] tuff-ghost.livejournal.com 2011-12-22 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
uh, delicious is a steaming mess right now, what are you talking about?

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[identity profile] fingalsanteater.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:41 pm (UTC)(link)
The redesign doesn't bother me. Now, I'm just a LJ plebe, but so far I've found it easier to comment, not harder. And, I never noticed subject lines (which seems to be one of the main concerns). But, I'm not everyone, and I really only use LJ for F!S and occasionally other fandom stuff. If more consistent users of LJ think it sucks and decide to abandon ship, I'll have to follow if I want to join in, but I'm not hating the redesign.

[identity profile] violent-aki.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Am I the only one who's not really seeing the big deal here? 6_9

[identity profile] leafing.livejournal.com 2011-12-21 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Nope, you're not the only one. But I kind of understand all the complaints, considering the site has basically been the same for years and years, there's bound to be some backlash when everything just kinda shifts over to something totally different.

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