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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-12-22 07:49 pm
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Since people pointed out Saturday isn't enough time to see what LJ is doing with this or about this, moved the potential moving date to New Years' - 1/1/2012.

[Poll #1805208]

The other poll is closed and this one will be open until Dec 31st! You can edit your vote by going here.

As a note, I'm completely willing to either stay or move. Updating the comm is easy enough for me either way.



1 - It's not only about subject lines. Others have written up potential problems better than I could:
http://lj-releases.livejournal.com/71858.html?thread=7005874#t7005874
http://lj-releases.livejournal.com/71858.html?thread=6261682#t6261682
http://lj-releases.livejournal.com/71858.html?thread=7952050#t7952050

2 - For those worried about possibly needing to make DW accounts to comment, if a move happens: you don't need one! OpenID will let you comment as an LJ user (in the same way Facebook users can comment on LJ).

3 - For those worried about missing updates: I can crosspost to LJ to let you know a post is up (with a handy link over to it), I don't mind that (it's like a minute of extra work, no problem) - if the DW move happens though, the comments would be over there.

4 - Apparently, this is what we're getting next year.

5 - I'm aware workarounds are available - but those (or so I hear?) won't stay available for long. Also, those layouts have their own bugs. If someone can actually supply me with workable code that doesn't make long threads unreadable to change the layout, I'll give it a try.

6 - [livejournal.com profile] raemia has an FAQ up here: http://raemia.livejournal.com/18347.html


7 - Tried the LJ workaround, give me your thoughts? Also contains links to what FS would look like on DW. Feedback on either/both?

8 - http://fandomsecrets.livejournal.com/811020.html?thread=511056908#t511056908 A good summary of the whole thing here by [livejournal.com profile] demarafis.


Today's post is up below!

(Anonymous) 2011-12-23 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
i was wondering when this post was coming up. thank you!

[identity profile] the-flowergirl.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
What is that new thing? Oh my god.
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[personal profile] fahrbotdrusilla 2011-12-23 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
Just move. Like you've mentioned, you can always link the post to this comm when it's up, and half of everyone who comments in anonymous anyway. I don't even know why it's even in question considering how hard it is to read the comm like this.

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[identity profile] rtydmartel.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
Relevant: http://factionary.livejournal.com/2116.html


I personally vote in favor of moving.

[identity profile] inboots.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
LiveJournal doesn't seem to care about paying users. More revenue is supposedly made from advertisements and Singapore Shopping than paid accounts

oh, that's interesting. it all makes more sense now.

[identity profile] if-you-blink.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
For those worried about needing to make a Dreamwidth account to comment, Dreamwidth is letting people create free accounts without an invite code until the end of this year. Just as an alternative to OpenID for those who might've been contemplating a switch. :)

[identity profile] to-question.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
I vote for staying. I can understand that people are not fond of the changes, but it doesn't register as that big of a deal to me.

[identity profile] clau019.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
+1

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(Anonymous) 2011-12-23 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
Since for some reason I'm not able to vote in this poll, I vote for "don't move". I don't have OpenID, so I wouldn't be able to post comments in Dreamwidth if the comm moves there.

(Like another person said in the last poll entry, I'm not going to sign up for something I'm never going to use outside of F!S.)

(Anonymous) 2011-12-23 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
You can't vote unless you have an LJ log-in.

You don't have to sign up to post in Dreamwidth.

You wouldn't have to do anything special.

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[identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
It isn't so much what they've done already but what they're planning to do that makes me vote "move". *sigh* I stayed at LJ for years because it actually had an attention span, but that appears to be vanishing.

[identity profile] shortysc22.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
as long as it's cross posted, I won't notice much of a difference, other than I might actually use my dreamwidth account.

[identity profile] tuff-ghost.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
Why would anyone vote to stay, honestly? There are good reasons to move, and no good reasons to stay.

(Anonymous) 2011-12-23 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
Because they're too lazy to read how they won't have to sign up for Dreamwidth, and to realize that there's the option to do everything just the same as on livejournal, but not actually on livejournal.

(Seriously, Tech has even offered to have the same link and mirror the whole damn page so it's not a problem)

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[identity profile] oaktree89.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
I'd suggest mirroring, rather than a move, if possible.

[identity profile] raemia.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
[livejournal.com profile] technophile, if this helps, I've been working on a FAQ related to Release 88/88.2 (http://raemia.livejournal.com/18347.html) and I've been trying to get it out to as many LJ users as possible. Hopefully I've provided enough information to aid poll voters in their decision.

ETA: Also, would you be willing to mirror instead?
Edited 2011-12-23 01:39 (UTC)

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(Anonymous) 2011-12-23 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
It looks like most people have voted don't move in both polls so...
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[personal profile] fahrbotdrusilla 2011-12-23 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
LOL THE POLL HAS BEEN OPEN FOR AN HOUR, AND WILL BE UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR.

Goes to show you WHY people are voting not to move. They fail to read anything in the post other than the poll as well.

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(Anonymous) 2011-12-23 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
Everyone who voted "yes" and "wait until Saturday to see what happens; if nothing is changed, move" on yesterdays poll needs to vote to move. There aren't going to be any changes, the owners of LJ have showed just little of a fuck they give towards their audience.
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[identity profile] leaf-kunoichi.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
I voted to not move because the changes really don't bother me. I don't find it any more difficult to read the comments and don't have issues with it on my smartphone.
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[identity profile] margerydaw-s2.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
In the end, it won't be much of a hassle to move (for people who watch the comm/lurk). DW has basically all of what is good in LJ without all of the bad, you can also comment as anon there, just as it is possible here.

[identity profile] dr-tectonic.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
So, what happens if you go into "customize selected theme" and set "Disable customized comment pages for your journal" to "no"?

I did that on my journal, and everything went back to normal. But I don't know how universally applicable this solution is.

[identity profile] demarafis.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 02:23 am (UTC)(link)
Case tried that and it didn't work all that well... (http://fandomsecrets.livejournal.com/810275.html?thread=510718755#t510718755)

Any other suggestions? They ARE welcome, you know. =/

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[identity profile] leinyan.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
ugh just move

the changes make navigating any post with more than a few comments a complete nightmare, and for a place as busy as this it's just not viable.
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[identity profile] hellofuck.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
I actually change my mind
moving is stupid

you know what's gonna happen? the same thing that always happens. we're gonna get used to the change and everything will return to normal and wank will be about the usual non-LJ change-related crap

(Anonymous) 2011-12-23 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
Seconded. Maybe thirded and fourthed. Can I buy you a drink, if not your own internet?

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[identity profile] fellfell.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
the more I use the new system, the less problems I have with it

i think the kneejerk "zomg its change rarrr" is just hysteria

people need to learn to chill and adjust before responding

[identity profile] thinkxpink.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
I agree. I didn't like it in the very beginning but I'm slowly getting adjusted and it's not so bad. I do even like part of it.

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[identity profile] tw-31988.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
as much as i hate the new comments layout i think we'll adjust...

i just really want the subject lines back.

I kinda like the new anonymous icon too.

[identity profile] hellofuck.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
haha the anon icon makes me want to get one for myself with a moostachio and such

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[identity profile] atelierlune.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
People who are voting to stay: please educate yourself on how easy it can really be to move your LJ life to DW. You can migrate your posts, flists and userpics (https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/importer), set up your journal with options that they've never had available here (like making admin and browsing pages dark to reduce glare without a Greasemonkey or Stylish script), and even use Semagic to post to DW (http://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/memories?user=atelierlune&keyword=useful&filter=all) (if you're like me and you do that). I frankly think DW's search mechanism works better than LJs has in years. Will you have to rebuild somethings at DW? Yes. Will it take some time? Yes, it will. Is it possible that you might even lose some functionality? Maybe. I'm posting here to tell you though that it will be worth it in the long run. I don't know how many times you need to be reminded that they could give a rat's backside about what we want out of this site.

I'm willing to put down money that if F!S chooses not to go, we will be revisiting this issue 6-12 months down the line, if not about commenting or some other design change that they've made unilaterally, then about something else.

I don't know how many of you remember this, but it used to be that LJ devs had names, faces, and accountability. They were paying attention to what people were asking them for in the comments and really seemed like they wanted to make the site a place where people wanted to gather. LJ is happy to take our money and do whatever it feels like doing, leaving us with poor service, downtime with no compensation, and thoughtless responses to legitimate questions. Why stay here and take it, the DDOS attacks, the meaningless changes, the censorship dust-ups?

Honest question: do you think that life on LJ is progressively getting better, or worse? If you aren't happy, why wouldn't you do something about it?

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"People who are voting to stay: please educate yourself on how easy it can really be to move your LJ life to DW. "

I see how easy it is to move. Do not tell me that I have to "educate myself." I choose not to because everybody that I know is on here. I prefer livejournal. I don't want to move to Dreamwidth because I don't like Dreamwidth and I do not want to be on that site.

Do not tell me to educate myself on it when you say that it will take some time and that maybe we will lose some functionality. I see that and I am making an EDUCATED CHOICE to stay here.

If you want to go, then go. Nobody is stopping you. Maybe you might lose some things. Maybe Fandom secrets won't follow. But you will be happier.

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(Anonymous) 2011-12-23 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. This seems like much ado about nothing to me. It's really not that big of a deal, yet I'm seeing "THE SKY IS FALLING" level freakouts.

(Anonymous) 2011-12-23 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
So much this. Yes, there are some glaring bugs in the new design. They'll get fixed if people calm the fuck down and concentrate on submitting helpful support requests for the stuff that's broken instead of kvetching about not having their precious subject lines.

(Anonymous) 2011-12-23 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
The reason to move is not just the LJ team being deaf to consumer needs. They're also complete assholes. Check this shit out: http://factionary.livejournal.com/2116.html

Do you really trust these people to not screw things up harder in the future?

(Anonymous) 2011-12-23 03:22 am (UTC)(link)
So move. Nobody is stopping you.

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