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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-03-14 07:06 pm

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[personal profile] mekkio 2013-03-14 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait, I don't understand. The movie is about the origin about the "Wizard" of Oz and people are upset that it was played by a guy? Or is there something more to this?

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(Anonymous) 2013-03-14 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Uhm, no. No one is upset that the main character is a 'man'. People are upset because the director said there are no fairy tales with 'male heroes' or some bullshit. Also the main character is an asshole the whole movie and gets 'rewarded' for it. So yeah, people actually have real reasons to not like this movie.

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Oooh, the edginess burns me like a blade disinfected by a zippo.

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Hell, I'm in. What are we watching now?

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-14 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
They weren't complaining that a man is the protagonist.

They were complaining that the director of this movie said that there just aren't enough movies out there with a man as the protagonist.

Which, no. Just no.

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[personal profile] castle_anon 2013-03-14 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't care about peoples' agendas, I just want to see a good movie. And this *more or less* delivered.

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I wasn't mad because he's a man. I was annoyed because they made movie with the Wizard (who is a giant, manipulative douche) as the protagonist. Having recently seen Wicked onstage only increases my ire because we should have a movie adaptation of that.

I'll probably end up seeing this anyway, just out of curiosity.

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[personal profile] aubry 2013-03-14 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
You're an idiot, OP.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-14 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
It is a super confused movie, so I did not enjoy watching it. Mila Kunis, who I usually like was horrible, Rachael Weisz also was atrocious, which hurts me in the childhood.

Feminism wise, I don't know. I mean the directors comment I can sort of deal with. There wasn't a strong male lead in the movie when he was a kid maybe, and he always wanted someone to identify with, or something? *SPOILERS**** I did have issues with three very powerful witches who probably could have duked it out themselves They didn't need to rely on a wizard who wasn't all that good /or powerful. A bit of a let down really.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-14 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually I think people are more mad that in a prequel to The Wizard of Oz (official or not) they didn't touch at all on Princess Ozma or the fact that the Wizard basically murdered a little girl to gain power.

Though yeah, the screenwriter's comments were dickish, I saw a lot more on "ew why did they have to make the Wicked Witch hot" and "Did you look at the original material at all? Ozma? Where? Hello?"

Oh, and a lot on how there's a land run by powerful women, but they've been "waiting for a great man". So, that happened...

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-14 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
FWIW to those who insist that there were only complaints once the screenwriter (not the director) made the comment about male protagonists:

http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/4104336.html

Here we have the resident SJWs at Scans_Daily complaining about this as far back as November of last year.

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Hi Peter David.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-14 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Works for me. Whatever the SJW are getting in a little tizzy over is probably pretty good.

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To be honest, I've always wanted to know the Wizard's backstory. We got 'Wicked' for the backstory of the ladies, and we already knew Dorothy's backstory. The fact that this movie is about the Wizard pre-Dorothy's Oz really makes me wanna see it.

Although, now that I'm hearing it's just really crappy CG and a bad story...I am disappoint.

IMO, they were always bound to run up against SJWs with a story like this. Take a story that originally has females up front, pluck out a random dude (God help you if he's a douchey dude!), and tell his story instead = insta-wank! That's like doing 'Beauty and the Beast' entirely from Gaston's POV. YIKES!

Any fiction that's historically all about the ladies and their awesomeness/struggles/agency that gets retold from a male perspective is gonna cause problems with people :/

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[personal profile] gabzillaz 2013-03-15 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
Aren't you edgy

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You are the reason I can't stand people complaining about sjw. they may be annoying but so are you.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-15 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
My irritation stems from the fact that this is a prequel to the Wizard of Oz - we ALREADY know that the Wizard isn't a hero - he is a fake, and that it is Dorothy who ultimately fixes everything.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-15 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
I'm just pissed they're not using the books-- which are fantastic and have amazing stories that would actually translate well to the screen. I am a lone holdout protesting this lack of respect for Baum's world in favor of some kind of bullshit love story with absolutely no sentient, flying sofas.

/forever stanning for Tip and the crew

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-15 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
It's not a 'Social Justice' issue, it's a feminist issue.

I'm not an SJW, but I do object to a series that's first-and-foremost about strong women showing themselves to be powerful heroes (and villian) in the face of oppression and male incompetant being derailed and turned into yet another male power fantasy.

From a feminist perspecive it's a massive slap in the face.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-15 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
Well that's lovely. Just so you know I will be throwing and spitting at anyone I see comming out of that misogyny-fest. I hope you see you there, you worthless waste of air.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-15 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, have fun watching a sucky movie just to spite people who don't actually give a fuck what you, personally, choose to watch.
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[personal profile] iggy 2013-03-15 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
Something like 80% of movies already star men. I don't think it's SJW-ish to be upset that a story about women is being turned into a story about a man.

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I was annoyed with the concept of this movie, but not *specifically* because the protagonist is a man. I will try to summarize how I feel about the movie:

1. L. Frank Baum was a feminist. He explicitly wrote the Oz series books to give a voice and power to female protagonists. Dorothy, Princess Ozma and Glinda are collectively the three most important people in the books, and they're the ones that solve all the problems and keep all the shit together.
2. The protagonist is a person that Oz fans already know to be a liar, usurper, and fraud. This movie not only makes him sympathetic, they make him the hero. I would have been fine with a Wizard origin story if it didn't try to sanitize a character who has done and will do some horrible things.
3. The three Witches are incredibly, incredibly powerful. This movie repeatedly posits that despite all their magic and wisdom, the Witches still needed a man to solve all their problems because of a dead King's prophecy.
4. SPOILER ALERT: The "twist" that Oz causes Theodora to become the Wicked Witch by breaking her heart is really fucked up. It means that someday he's going to ask a little girl to kill his ex-girlfriend.

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