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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-06-30 03:20 pm

[ SECRET POST #2371 ]


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[personal profile] ibroketuesday 2013-06-30 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Hannibal cares about Will in the same way I care about my copy of my favorite book. It engages my interest and it gives me good feelings, like comfort, pleasure, and excitement. I would say that I love this book. But my feelings toward the book are all centered around myself; I love the book because of how it stimulates ME; I can do whatever I want with the book; I am a person and the book is an inanimate object. I don't worry about the book's well-being. I don't hope it has a long and fulfilling life. If my copy is destroyed, I'll grumble about having to buy a new one, but I won't grieve the loss of an independent life, a separate world, because it doesn't matter whether that particular physical copy is at hand; what matters is that I can read whenever I want. Essentially, that kind of love is nothing like the love I bear for other people, where I care about them separate from myself, but that's the kind of love Hannibal has for Will.

Hannibal doesn't care if Will is happy, healthy, or sane. He cares if Will is his. He wants Will to be there for Hannibal's own pleasure, and that's all that matters. He has proven willing to destroy Will if that's what it takes to keep Will under his control. Yes, he's very involved with and attached to Will, but it's in the same way that a child loves their favorite toy. Will is ancillary to Hannibal; Will is the best book Hannibal has ever read.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-30 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
That's a great analogy.
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[personal profile] elaminator 2013-06-30 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope you write Hannibal fanfiction. If you don't you should.

(Anonymous) 2013-07-01 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
YES THIS ALL OF THIS, YOU AMAZING PERSON YOU.

this is what i have been trying to tell people.

they seem to think Hannibal's version of "love" must equal most people's version of "love" - which is, to an extent, an equal give-and-take exchange.

But because of who Hannibal is - a "pure sociopath", a "psychopath", "evil" or however you want to interpret it - his love would be focused on himself and how it makes him feel, even when others are involved.

(Anonymous) 2013-07-01 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
a "pure sociopath", a "psychopath"

He's neither, according to Bryan Fuller, as he's able to experience empathy and regret. He's only referred to as such for lack of a better term.

[personal profile] ibroketuesday 2013-07-01 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
Word of God, I know, but I'm not sure I'm 100% on board with Bryan Fuller here. Nothing that Hannibal's done so far has run contrary to sociopathy. I don't think he has empathy; I think he has very sharp perceptive skills that allow him to understand how people are feeling. However, to me, empathy implies a reflection of observed emotions within oneself. For example, anyone who has ever winced when someone else got cruelly mocked has experienced empathy. Hannibal would see an event like that and not feel it. He'd understand the pain, but no pain would be generated in himself.
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[personal profile] perihadion 2013-07-02 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly. There's a big difference between being able to *recognise* emotions in others and being affected by them. That's why people can hurt you and when you're like "what the fuck?" they're like "oh shit, I didn't realise" -- they didn't recognise that you were hurt or what your emotional needs were or whatever -- and other people can hurt you fully cognisant of what they're doing and not give a shit. Hannibal is the latter.
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[personal profile] silverau 2013-07-01 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
*high five*
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+infinity

[personal profile] elephantinegrace 2013-07-01 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
You didn't just break Tuesday, you broke me with how poetic and perfect your analogy is. So, how would you like all of the internets delivered to you?
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[personal profile] meredith44 2013-07-01 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
I love that and think it is a perfect description of their relationship from Hannibal's side.
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[personal profile] darkmanifest 2013-07-01 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not even in the fandom, but that's a great description of sociopathic love.
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[personal profile] goldenusagi 2013-07-01 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
Will is the best book Hannibal has ever read

Excellent.

[personal profile] ibroketuesday 2013-07-01 02:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you, bb!

(Anonymous) 2013-07-01 07:08 am (UTC)(link)
Ah. Thank you!

I feel like so many people don't or can't understand this about narcissists. There aren't any "true exceptions" to the rule that they don't love. They just find some people are worth more time and effort because the return is greater for themselves.

People will deny the hell out of this, because it makes everyone uncomfortable.
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[personal profile] toft 2013-07-04 07:36 am (UTC)(link)
That is so true and such a great analogy.