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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-09-28 03:11 pm

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(Anonymous) 2013-09-28 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Because Japan.

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(Anonymous) 2013-09-28 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Because 1) most the "feminists*" aren't fangirls and aren't into that stuff. So, they are never exposed to it to complain. And 2) if they are were exposed to it, Japan is a country full of minorites** therefore; because they aren't white, they can do no wrong.

* Not to be confused with actual feminists that tackle real world problems that women and girls face like the erosion of reproductive rights in the US and the systematic abuse of women and girls in countries such as Pakistan.

**Yes, I know how absurd it is to call a country where over 90% of the population is non-white a country full of minorites but I have seen Japan described as such on tumblr.

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(Anonymous) 2013-09-28 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I just feel that feminists refuse to touch any of that shit even with a fifty foot pole.

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They do.

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[personal profile] forgottenjester 2013-09-28 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Can't speak for other people but I don't really watch anime anymore. I can only critique media I've actually consumed.
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[personal profile] azi 2013-09-28 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
They do, depending on the series. The amount of rants I've read about Bleach and Naruto...

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Depends on where you look, but there are plenty of people complaining about it. But anime still happens to be a sub-genre/not mainstream so it's not going to get as many specific essays about it. It's often lumped in with other topics.
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[personal profile] visp 2013-09-28 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Because if you live in America, America's sexism is more directly connected to your well-being as a woman than Japan's sexism - which is worse, but not for you, because you don't live there.

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Hahaha what?

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[personal profile] ill_omened 2013-09-28 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Whilst it's far from perfect, it has substantially more works aimed at women, and interesting nuanced female characters.

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(Anonymous) 2013-09-28 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I suspect because there just aren't that many into it - and those that are, are hesitant to touch it since well...A *lot* of what you find in them is influenced by Japanese culture so it's a little hard to tell what parts are sexist and what's just the culture at times.

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Culture. Sure

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(Anonymous) 2013-09-28 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
most people focus on and complain and work towards fixing things that have a bigger effect on their society. anime has fans outside of Japan but largely speaking online feminists aren't from Japan and therefore their bigger societal issues are not in anime and don't have anything to do with anime. shows/books/movies/etc created in your own country are the ones more likely to reflect problems in that country and the ones more likely to be discussed.

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Probably because those of us who aren't Japanese and haven't lived in Japan for any reasonable amount of time couldn't really sure what cultural nuances we might be missing out on when we go to critique anime and manga. It's better to let the people who are actually a part of that culture tackle those issues, and lend them our support if they ask for it. Otherwise you'll just end up trampling all over those same people you claim to want to help, and that's just not cool.
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[personal profile] blueonblue 2013-09-28 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Japanese feminists do critique manga and anime, there's quite a bit of critical writing on some of the older shoujo titles.

Just because something isn't happening on tumblr doesn't mean it isn't happening.

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I think it's unfair to say because, well, where I am in fandom there is a lot of earnest feminist and other SJ-based criticism of certain Japanese works. The thing is, though, we as Westerners have to be careful because we're interrogating non-Western things from a Western perspective, and Japan's in that odd position of being both a victim and perpetrator of imperialism as well as being a nonwhite-majority society with its own heavily racist attitudes (some of which are influenced by white supremacist racism, I reckon) and if you're not really well versed on the interactions of these things (or, y'know, part of the culture itself) it's difficult to speak out about what Should or Shouldn't Be Done because it comes back to the colonialsm thing.

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Don't give them ideas. They're only capable of ruining things people enjoy.

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I dunno about you, but being an English speaker, I'm more bound to run into English and Western-based feminists. How do we know Japanese works AREN'T receiving criticism by Japanese speakers? I wager it's not only easier to critique and criticize something based on our own culture/society, but uh, maybe there's a better chance that criticism might actually reach the creators' ears? Whereas with a language barrier, not so much.

And I have seen feminist criticism of Japanese works. It's not exactly anime per se, but Dragon's Crown was developed by Vanillaware and it was hard to miss all that wank.

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Basically because they're Japanese. they're a nation of woman haters. complaining about their media is like complaining about how hot and dry the desert is. We keep away from them until their culture dies.

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No, really, that's it. You complain about something in your own country, and people will at least make a token effort to prevent themselves from losing the money provided by native fans. Other countries don't give a shit, so it's pretty much a waste of time.

Example: Apology from the ST:ID writers for the Carol Marcus T&A scene.

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(Anonymous) 2013-09-28 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Probably because they're afraid of being called racists.
I know I often get called one when I complain about anything in other countries. Might also have to do with the fact that I'm Austrian. Us evil German speaking people can't be trusted ;)

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Wait -- I have a question for OP

[personal profile] silverr 2013-09-28 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Since your secret is in English, I assume your secret refers primarily to feminist critique written in English.

Is it at all possible that there are Asian feminists writing in their own language about issues in their "native" media?

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(Anonymous) 2013-09-28 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
because japan is a nation of misogyny. the only way to eradicate anti-woman media coming from japan would be with a-bombs and too many feminists these days are too soft to embrace the fact that the fight against misogyny is already a brutal bloody war.

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There's been vocal feminists - or people with feminist-minded opinions - in all my fandoms, anime and otherwise, critiquing sexism, so I haven't noticed much of a difference, personally? Not saying there isn't one because lol solipsism, I don't move in a massive number of fandoms, just that I haven't seen the discrepancy myself.

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Japan's media really is a reflection of its society. It would be more useful to try to change aspects of Japanese cultural mindsets if you really wanted to see feminist improvements in anime/manga.

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I feel like any Western critique of Asian gender/sexuality issues is going to be filled with a lot of assumptions, misunderstandings, and stereotyping.

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