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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-02-12 03:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #3693 ]

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(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my.


(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Can someone explain this to me? I'm not up on my Sherlock fandom, and tried google but couldn't find anything :(

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's about that fic where Sherlock and John are movie stars? I can't remember the name of it though.
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[personal profile] nanslice 2017-02-12 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Close, it's a movie in a fic that was inspired by that fic in which they were movie stars. Or something like that.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh god that one. One of those "why are the Most Popular Fics in any given fandom always such shit?" moments

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
It's honestly way more interesting to me to try to figure out why people are responding to a particular fic, rather than doing the good ol Fans Dumb So What routine.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess. AUs and misery fics ("Alone on the Water" for instance) seem to be very popular.
It certainly has relatively little to do with quality of writing/characterisation.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
But it almost definitionally has to have some quality that strikes an emotional chord, which is what's interesting. And strikes that chord better than other things do.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Excuse you, Performance In A Leading Role was very well written. If you don't like the idea of an actors AU, that's your business, but that doesn't mean it's a bad fic. It did some pretty great things with its premise, and the writing was honestly pretty excellent, at least by fanfic standards.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-13 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
"at least by fanfic standards" wow. you're really not making your case here. Writing is writing is writing.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-13 06:53 am (UTC)(link)
Not really, and if you weren't being willfully combative you would acknowledge that.

I mean, it's been pretty well established that even the best fanfic is often not conducive to being turned into original fiction. Because "good writing" by original fiction standards involves crafting the building blocks for the story and then crafting the story from those blocks, while "good" fanfic writing is free to skip over a large chunk of the first step and move right on to the second. In that regard, I will very rarely evaluate how well written fanfic is in direct comparison to original fiction, because the comparison is unfair to both modes of writing.

Among other things, Performance In A Leading Role is well paced and well developed, with snappy and effective dialogue, consistent and likable characterizations, and a nicely filled out ensemble cast. But would it stand alone as original fiction? Maybe, but not with flying colors. But since there are very few novel length fics out there that would make truly great stand alone novels without extensive rewriting, that's hardly a valid point of criticism where fanfic is concerned.

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(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
What's 'To a Stranger'? Or don't I want to know?

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)

You don't.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
There's a popular long Sherlock fanfic called Performance In A Leading Role. In the fic, John and Sherlock are actors who get cast to play the romantic leads in a movie called To A Stranger. To A Stranger is completely fictional, but Ang Lee is written as the director, which grounds To A Stranger a bit, making it feel like a feasible follow up to his real life work on Brokeback Mountain.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Do not agree in the slightest. Sorry, OP. I know most people rec that fic as one of the best in the fandom, but it's one of the reasons I hate AUs. Because it is pretty well written, but has nothing to do with Sherlock. So I was several chapters and thousands of words in, when I went up to get a snack and wondered: why am I reading this? This isn't Sherlock fanfic. Which is fine of course, but not what I wanted. As for the movie in the fic, it sounded sort of pretentious and boring tbh.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
RPF in disguise mostly.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)

I sort of thought so, and it holds up for all the random famous people who show up. But for MF & BC? They're very different from their characters. Granted, the John and Sherlock in the fic are very different from the canon characters as well. But they don't really seem to match up with MF & BC either.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
It's really not. It's just a Sherlock AU, that's all. For some reason the fact that it's a Sherlock AU in which John and Sherlock are actors seems to really be breaking people's brains. But that's truly all it is.

In fact, the author stated quite explicitly, back when the story was being posted, that it was not RPF. Also, there's this, which I'm quoting from her LJ page:

So you can imagine that more than one reader had a bit of a flashback when Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman were each other's dates to the Emmys. [...] I was, however, relieved to see people saying "Well, that isn't how I pictured it, because I imagined Sherlock and John, not these two." I'm glad to have that distinction preserved, because it was hard work keeping Performance firmly out of the RPF category. A lot of real actors make appearances in it (John is friends with Paul Bettany and Jennifer Connolly, Natalie Portman talks to them at a party, etc) but the two main characters are that...characters, and not meant to be skins over the actors who play them.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-13 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
... yeah, it's still RPF, tho.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-13 05:52 am (UTC)(link)
How so?

(Anonymous) 2017-02-13 06:36 am (UTC)(link)
I have no idea how you are coming to this incorrect conclusion.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-12 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think you're crazy at all, OP. I think pretty much everyone who enjoyed mad_lori's fic wishes they could watch To A Stranger (and there are thousands of us because that fic was fantastic).

The only place we potentially differ is that I don't really want to see Martin Freeman and Benedict Cumberbatch in the roles. I want to see the John and Sherlock who exist in Performance play the roles of Mark and Benjamin. Which is, of course, utterly impossible. But I see no reason to let that stop me from wishing it could exist. :)

(Anonymous) 2017-02-13 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
Oh god, thank you for reminding me about this, OP. I stumbled onto this fic early in my time in the Sherlock fandom and it was just so wonderful and fun. I was in giddy awe of all the cool stuff people in the Sherlock fandom were making, and this fic was a great example of that.

So much of that wonderful verve has gone out of the fandom now, IMO, but it's nice to remember what it was like back in the heyday.

(Anonymous) 2017-02-13 08:40 am (UTC)(link)
I don't remember that fic very well, but I do remember thinking that the film they're making seems to be much more cliched and mediocre than the author and characters would want you to believe...? But the whole film industry was full of obligatory movie references in all obligatory places, with no random choices whatsoever (all directors were famous directors doing exactly those kinds of films which they were famous for, nobody made any mistakes, nothing was surprising, no names were mentioned which weren't very mainstream, etc; it was a bit annoying in places, especially ebcause teh author took great pleasure in explaining and listing all references). I did like the fic when I read it, but I really believe that "To a Stranger" will always be a much better film on paper/within the fic than it could ever be in real life...