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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-03-13 06:16 pm

[ SECRET POST #3722 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3722 ⌋

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[El Goonish Shive]


Criminal Minds


[Nadiya Hussain, from Great British Bake Off series 6]


[Wicked the Musical]


[Yaya Han]


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(Anonymous) 2017-03-13 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I hate Patreon.
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[personal profile] randomdrops 2017-03-13 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't really explain why, but I have a visceral dislike of Patreon. On paper I guess it kind of sounds good, but in practice it just bothers me.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-14 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
Begging inspires contempt.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-14 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
Begging implies, IMHO, that you give the "beggar" money and they give nothing to you in return. With Patreon, you donate money and receive something for that donation. It's an "equal" exchange. If you don't like what you are supposed to receive in return for your money, well, find another person to support?...

(Anonymous) 2017-03-14 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
+1 I don't understand why people have issue with something that is essentially a business? If you don't want to support it then don't but why is it bad for artists and writers to want to make a living?

(Anonymous) 2017-03-23 08:24 am (UTC)(link)
It's not bad for artists of any kind (music, visual, performance, etc) to want to make a living. It just inspires a lot of jealousy when someone gets money for an activity that is perceived as "fun." This is especially true when that activity (drawing, playing an instrument, singing, dancing, writing) is a hobby to others. The more someone hates their day job, the more contempt they will show for someone who tries to make a living from their chosen hobby.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-14 12:08 am (UTC)(link)

Me too.

I don't even dislike the idea of people getting paid for fanfic. I kind of wish there was a way fanfic could be published without it being any kind of a detriment to original published content. Like, I would straight up love to pay money for nicely bound, professional-looking paperback (or even hardback) copies of some of the long fics I love. Or even anthologies of all the [Fandom X] stories by [author A]. That kind of thing.

But Patreon just doesn't feel like it's particularly good for anyone, except maybe the founders of Patreon.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-14 04:41 am (UTC)(link)
We really need to change copyright law because part of the issue is we don't have as many stories in public domain as SHOULD be in public domain (blame Disney, because now we have corporations owning properties rather then creators and owning those rights for way longer then they should.)

I'm pro letting fanfic and fanart be profitable as long as it's original in some way/not a direct competition for the source material. Art has always taken from other art, copyright law needs to reflect that reality.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-19 07:55 am (UTC)(link)
"But Patreon just doesn't feel like it's particularly good for anyone, except maybe the founders of Patreon."

I know of writers/critics who have gone completely independent due to Patreon support, multiple businesses and series that are able to continue and grow, and so many others creators who depend entirely on the support. Of course, I doubt it's lucrative for every single person on it, but I think it's narrow-minded to totally write it off.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-14 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
I hate it too. :/

(Anonymous) 2017-03-14 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
I like it, having signed up to throw in a dollar or two for podcasts or youtubers I like. I understand that they're trying to create full time and otherwise dependent on advertisers. For me it's ideal.

I'm getting the impression from this thread that it's also used in less professional and more manipulative ways? What's so bad about it?

(Anonymous) 2017-03-14 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
Basically, unscrupulous people are constantly trying to use it to scam others out of money that they claim is for urgent help needed but is actually just because they want money in general, which makes those who actually DO need help look like just another lying beggar in the heap. Iirc you can't verify anything about someone's claims on there.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-14 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
DA, Eh, I see that on things like gofundme and kickstarter, but patreon I haven't seen so much yet because it's more specifically about supporting the arts so I only see people with an actual product to sell (even if that product is digital art or writing.)

That's not really a scam as much as it's a business.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-14 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
i've realised why i hate it so much - it's used by a lot of people as ongoing funding for works which inadvertently gives them every excuse to never finish anything (because then they'd stop getting paid)

(Anonymous) 2017-03-14 04:44 am (UTC)(link)
People were never finishing anything way before patreon existed.

I'd actually argue the opposite, I don't have motivation to finish things when I'm not being paid but when I am paid I am far more motivated.