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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-03-14 06:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #3723 ]

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[Elementary, Sherlock/Fiona]


[Bucky Barnes]




[Rumer and Scout Willis]


[George R.R. Martin, ASOIAF]


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[personal profile] fscom 2017-03-14 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
[George R.R. Martin, ASOIAF]

(Anonymous) 2017-03-14 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Doesn't that interpretation meet the criteria of several different religions??

Also, if they are going to stereotype, I'd think Jewish people would likely be more associated with the people of Braavos.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-14 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
That person's theory is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

-a jew

(Anonymous) 2017-03-14 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
But what about Spike Spiegel?
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[personal profile] vethica 2017-03-15 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
What about him?
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[personal profile] ketita 2017-03-15 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
There's a bunch of headcanons about him being Jewish based on the name, the hair, and his Israeli-made gun.
I mean he's obviously not intended to be Jewish, but if people feel happy claiming him, then okay I guess?
/not one to talk, since I'm in the LEVI IS TOTES JEWISH camp of SNK. Though in my defense, I do not do it very seriously.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-15 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
How is he obviously not intended to be Jewish? It's not like all the Bebop characters are supposed to be Japanese.

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[personal profile] vethica 2017-03-15 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
I knew that part (and I'm super down with Spike being Jewish), but I was more wondering what he had to do with ASOAIF. :P

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(Anonymous) 2017-03-15 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
Where is this camp? Because that has totally crossed my mind about Levi and that entire family, but I thought I was the only one.

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[personal profile] ketita 2017-03-14 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
As A Jew myself, um... I think they're reaching. Enjoy, I guess, but tbh having gods be plural to me is already kind of shooting down any real Jew-coding, because one of the absolutely most fundamental things about Judaism has always been super strict monotheism.
But yeah, generalizations.

It's interesting, I had a conversation about Jew-coding in Dragon Age last week with some people. They were really into seeing the city elves as Jew-coded; I said that "being oppressed" is not really satisfactory to me. Extrinsic vs. intrinsic factors.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-14 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL, yes. Whoever is arguing that theory is kind of brushing over the pesky monotheism thing.
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[personal profile] ketita 2017-03-14 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. Like, given the aspects mentioned (if they're accurate and not overstated; I haven't read that far into ASOIAF), if "monotheism!" was prominent there, I'd say they have a stronger case. Older monotheistic religion supplanted by church-y new religion and being ethnocentric and whatnot, yeah, that's closer.

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(Anonymous) 2017-03-15 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
There's more to Judaism than monotheism. You can pick a different attribute to be the cornerstone of your fantasy universe Jewspired religion and still get a point across. Not saying the ASOIAF headcanon's got legs, just saying it can be done.

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(Anonymous) 2017-03-15 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
One of the main arguments for the "city elves are coded Jewish" I've seen was "they live in ghettos and that's a Jewish thing" and... Yikes.
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[personal profile] ketita 2017-03-15 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that was the root of the argument I was being fed. More painfully, it was a Jewish person saying it... and I was like how are you comfortable having your identity be reduced to "lives in ghettos"?????
It was pretty shocking to me.
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[personal profile] soldatsasha 2017-03-15 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
The only real argument I could see for the elves being Jew-coded would be that iirc the alienage theme in DA:O was a really ham-fisted homage to the soundtrack of Schindler's List. But I think Bioware did that just to really hammer home the oppression narrative, and not as any sort of specific parallel.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-14 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
As a Jewish person, the idea of the Starks being "Jewish coded" is one of the most ridiculously out there headcanons I've ever encountered re: Jewishness and/or coding. There's nothing Jewish about them that I can discern, and you'd think I would recognize it if I saw it there. Also, the religion of the Seven that's the dominant religion in Westeros reads very Greek-mythology inspired to me, not Christian-inspired, wedding ceremonies notwithstanding.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-15 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
The Seven-as-one is a very, very shallow riff on the Trinity, which is as Christian as things get.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-15 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
Very, very shallow. I'd say it really only resembles the Trinity in the whole multiple aspects of one deity thing, except that the Christian Trinity definitely doesn't include any female aspects and not even all Christian sects agree that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all the same dude.

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[personal profile] were_lemur 2017-03-15 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
The "multiple aspects of a deity" isn't only a Christian thing, though. Wicca has the "maiden, mother crone" aspects of the goddess.

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[personal profile] arcadiaego 2017-03-15 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
Erm, yeah, no to that theory. Westeros is like that because the North was in many ways really a different country even after England was united into one kingdom. That's why there's an Archbishop of Canterbury (South) and an Archbishop of York. (North). For those in London, say, it would be seen as an uncivilized place where people spoke foreign languages, it was freezing and there were a lot of barbarians over the border. (Apologies to Scotland.) And then he's stuck some faux paganism on top of it.

The North/South divide is still a very real thing, though we don't try and kill each other now. Usually.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-15 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
I have a similar problem with Harry Potter. Like, I'd never say it anywhere but here but all the head canons about Howarts actually being great for disabled/lgbt/ethnic minority/religious minority folks don't at all jive with what we see.
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[personal profile] mimi_sardinia 2017-03-15 09:22 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I don't think that would work. Dumbledore may have reduced pureblood influence a bit during his time as headmaster, but it was still there, and I totally see purebloods as being intolerant of a lot of things besides blood purity issues, including LGBT, religion, skin colour and disability.

Pureblood kids would harass and bully any of those groups.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-15 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the fact that Hogwarts being a diversity lovefest in headcanons should tell people a lot. For starters, that if it was canon, you wouldn't need headcanon it?

(Anonymous) 2017-03-16 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
I suppose that can be debated at least as far as religions and ethnicity, since purebloods can be pretty much anyone. But any building with staircases that move around whenever they want to isn't going to be disability-friendly.