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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-03-14 06:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #3723 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3723 ⌋

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[Rumer and Scout Willis]


[George R.R. Martin, ASOIAF]


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[personal profile] ketita 2017-03-14 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
As A Jew myself, um... I think they're reaching. Enjoy, I guess, but tbh having gods be plural to me is already kind of shooting down any real Jew-coding, because one of the absolutely most fundamental things about Judaism has always been super strict monotheism.
But yeah, generalizations.

It's interesting, I had a conversation about Jew-coding in Dragon Age last week with some people. They were really into seeing the city elves as Jew-coded; I said that "being oppressed" is not really satisfactory to me. Extrinsic vs. intrinsic factors.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-14 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL, yes. Whoever is arguing that theory is kind of brushing over the pesky monotheism thing.
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[personal profile] ketita 2017-03-14 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. Like, given the aspects mentioned (if they're accurate and not overstated; I haven't read that far into ASOIAF), if "monotheism!" was prominent there, I'd say they have a stronger case. Older monotheistic religion supplanted by church-y new religion and being ethnocentric and whatnot, yeah, that's closer.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-15 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
I think the only monotheistic religion in GoT is R'hllor, which is a newer, more obscure (and very violent) religion. But in general, the situation is that the Old Gods (animistic religion) has been mostly supplanted by Faith of the Seven except for in the North. Both religions are polytheistic.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-15 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
There's more to Judaism than monotheism. You can pick a different attribute to be the cornerstone of your fantasy universe Jewspired religion and still get a point across. Not saying the ASOIAF headcanon's got legs, just saying it can be done.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-15 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
Well yeah, but when it comes to the historical context of what made Judaism stand out from other religions, monotheism was a big part of that. So if you're going to argue that the Starks were coded Jewish and specifically cite their religion as one of your supports, the fact that the Old Gods were plural and not singular really weakens your argument.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-15 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
One of the main arguments for the "city elves are coded Jewish" I've seen was "they live in ghettos and that's a Jewish thing" and... Yikes.
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[personal profile] ketita 2017-03-15 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that was the root of the argument I was being fed. More painfully, it was a Jewish person saying it... and I was like how are you comfortable having your identity be reduced to "lives in ghettos"?????
It was pretty shocking to me.
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[personal profile] soldatsasha 2017-03-15 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
The only real argument I could see for the elves being Jew-coded would be that iirc the alienage theme in DA:O was a really ham-fisted homage to the soundtrack of Schindler's List. But I think Bioware did that just to really hammer home the oppression narrative, and not as any sort of specific parallel.