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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-03-19 03:29 pm

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(Anonymous) 2017-03-19 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
*shrug* Fair enough I guess. I didn't find it overly sad. I found the shots of their lives together sweet and yeah she died and that's sad, but they literally had a whole life together, unlike most characters.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-19 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
DA. I think part of it is because they have their whole lives together, and also that we see their lives together. We have a context that we often don't with character deaths, a context full of small details and little hopes and tiny tragedies. There's a whole life there, and he lost it. Her. And it was the tiny things that got me most. Those plane tickets. That he brought her back to their old picnic place to give them to her. That she got sick then. That she knew she was dying. That she wanted him to survive without her. That fucking message she left in the book. It wasn't ... it was a different set of emotions, there's none of the shock and anger of a sudden death, there's just the helplessness and the inevitability and the complete loss of everything we just watched them have.

Also, you know, I think a lot of people maybe watched family go like that? Watched what happened to the partner left behind. I did, anyway. Not exactly, but close. It's hard watching someone you love be gutted from the inside out by the loss of someone who was by their side for fifty-plus years. It's a thing a lot of people do have to watch, though, and I think maybe UP hits a bit too close to home for a lot of people because of that?

(Anonymous) 2017-03-19 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
This. I'm a little taken aback that anyone would think it'd be less painful to lose someone you've loved and lived with your whole adult life, just because you had that time together. When someone like that dies, it leaves a very, very big whole in your life, bigger than when someone you've known for say, a year or two dies. It also means that most of your memories involve them in some way, and now your entire past adult life causes you pain.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-19 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not saying it hurts less. Of course it wouldn't hurt less. Just as someone who HAS lost people I knew well and people who I hadn't had that time with, I definitely prefer having that lifetime of memories to fall back on rather than thinking of all the 'what ifs' about the future you never had together.

I personally just didn't find the loss or character death any sadder than any other character that Disney's offed for plot reasons.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Ellie's death itself isn't any more tragic than any other death, no. I think the treatment is a little different, though. Up is about grief itself to a very large extent. It isn't about growing up, it isn't about vengeance, it isn't about becoming a better person, it isn't about saving the kingdom, all things movies often use character deaths to fuel. It's about learning to survive grief. It's about Carl accepting Ellie's death, it's about him being able to let go of his obsessive reconstruction of their life, it's about him being able to involve himself in life without having her beside him, it's about him being able to put someone else, someone new and still living, before his promises to her, it's about him being able to fall back on those happy memories without the grief overwhelming him again. We're given, what, a three minute snapshot of their life at the start, a three minute glimpse of what he lost, and the entire rest of the movie is devoted to him learning how to survive that and move past it. And we accept that, because we saw Ellie, we saw what they had, we know why her death is that important to him.

I don't think anyone is saying that the fact of Ellie's death is intrinsically sadder than any other character Disney/Pixar has killed. Most of what I see is the acknowledgement that they went about it differently in Up. They involved the audience more intimately in both Carl and Ellie's life, Ellie's death, and then Carl's grief over Ellie's death. Because, well, that was the point. The movie, to a large extent, is about death, grief, and what it takes to move past it.