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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-03-20 06:38 pm

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[personal profile] pinkoctopus 2017-03-20 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I could have written this secret! I did not, but I could have!

I also approve of your choice of best color!
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[personal profile] alwaysbeenasmiler 2017-03-21 03:10 am (UTC)(link)


Octopii make me happy, in whatever form they take!

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I like this type of character too, but sometimes it really isn't done well. Example: Scrappy Doo. Oh man, I hated that little guy.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Sassy sidekicks are just so easy to write badly. Especially when their sassiness/entire characterization exists only to support the protagonist.

A good sassy character is loads of fun, I just feel like most of the time, this character type just comes across forced and annoying.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't like them because the way they're written usually tries too hard to be funny and falls flat for me, so they end up just being annoying.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't care for "sassy=makes unfunny, mildly sarcastic comments directed at character we're not supposed to like anyway". It's very lazy comedy writing along the lines of cartoons where a character constantly falls down off camera while they shake the background.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-20 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
They're usually poorly written and aren't actually funny or relatable, just irritating, then the annoyance gets doubled by people insisting, no, really, sidekick is so funny and relatable, how can you not like them?? and overhyping said sidekick and inserting them every-fucking-where to the point where people who merely dislike them forget they dislike them and start thinking they hate them.
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[personal profile] erinptah 2017-03-20 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think the hate is about individual characters, it's about how certain types of people (usually black or gay, for this particular trope) get overrepresented as "wisecracking sidekick whose role is to support the [white/straight] main character", and underrepresented as main characters themselves.

It's less annoying these days because media representation keeps getting better, but it wasn't that long ago that practically the only mainstream roles for gay characters were as sassy best friends.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-21 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
Even so, they were almost always more likable and more characterized than the main characters, who were usually bland and defined only by some sort of romantic relationship or whatever. Even if they were "limited" to that role, it hardly comes off as limiting when they're the only character with any sense, and who doesn't dance around subjects. Like when the main character is being a dip and swanning about being lovesick, it hardly comes off as limiting to have a character say "just tell the truth!"

(Anonymous) 2017-03-21 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
Just because some of the side characters are likeable (and maybe more likeable than the main characters) doesn't mean the role isn't a limited one. Especially if that type of role for POCs are often the only type of role that's available.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-21 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
If done right, they can be better received than the main characters, but done wrong they can be super annoying and get real old real fast

(Anonymous) 2017-03-21 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
They're often my favorites, too, OP! I make no apologies.

It depends on the character and actor, for me.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-21 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
Because the character can't be too one note and the actor has to have good comedic timing. But yes, they are often favorites of mine, too.
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[personal profile] alwaysbeenasmiler 2017-03-21 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
Oh gosh, I love the sassy whatever sidekick too!

I mean seriously-- the more sass the better--

I don't even understand how people could NOT like that character?

(upon reading that secret, I was like "People who hate those types of characters exist?")

(Anonymous) 2017-03-21 11:45 am (UTC)(link)
Let's stop beating around the bush for a moment. The trope we're discussing is "sassy black/Latina/gay friend," and people don't hate the character. They hate the fact that in any given American comedy written in the last thirty years there's at least a fifty percent chance that the only black or Latina or gay character can be summarized as a dick joke, three finger snaps and a "You go, girl!"
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[personal profile] alwaysbeenasmiler 2017-03-21 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
A lot of the times and at least for me-- those characters steal the show

(Anonymous) 2017-03-21 01:38 pm (UTC)(link)
A lot of people are entertained by cultural stereotypes. Doesn't mean the groups being stereotyped are equally charmed by these caricatures. Really doesn't mean that they should be happy that this is the only representation they get in a lot of media.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-21 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, well, you liked it, guess that suddenly makes it not racist and not sexist.

(Anonymous) 2017-03-22 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
When they're the only character in the film that's likable or that tells the truth, that's not reductive though.