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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-05-10 06:44 pm

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(Anonymous) 2017-05-11 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
Whimsical is...not the first adjective I would use to describe Dahl. Fantasy or not, there's a very cynical and vicious edge to all of Dahl's work that's somewhat diluted in the popular consciousness. I mean, The Witches is brutal, and it's always been one of my favorites of his. I remember liking some of her work, but I don't think these two actually belong in the same category other than 'has some magic' and 'is for kids'.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-11 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
People are always talking about Dahl as if his work was all fiddle-dee-dee and charming, which is extremely weird to me. Even the chocolate factory story, which is the best known of his, is...disturbing in parts.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-11 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
It's so weird! Like, you can't even blame the movies, because even if they soften the edges up a little with bright colors, the movies still tend to have plenty of 1) terrifying abuses of power by uncaring adults 2) plenty of fridge horror 3) gore for kids!

Like, even the original chocolate factory movie has four of five children being horribly mutilated or trapped in industrial accidents, the nightmare fuel boat ride, and Wonka's jerkass speech at the end. Matilda has straight-up child abuse. Forget the wormwoods, there's the chokey. The chocolate cake thing! Throwing a child by her hair.
James and the Giant Peach has the wicked aunts, the giant bugs, spooky weird biological dripping gooey aesthetic everywhere. Big Friendly Giant, which is arguably one of his most fanciful, what with all the dream jars, has literal nightmare fuel and the wicked giants who 312% want to eat children as much as possible. It's all exaggerated but the horror is still there under the cartoonishness - it's not whimsical so much as gleefully ghoulish!

You either like that or you don't. I love it, but if someone wants earnest or heartwarming or whimsical fantasy...Dahl is not the place to go.


(Anonymous) 2017-05-11 05:59 am (UTC)(link)

I think it's kind of great that they can't totally remove it from the adaptations. I loved the darkness of Matilda. In the BFG movie a bunch of children are abducted and eaten offscreen and I kept on expecting them to soften it but... nope!

Have you seen the Witches adaptation from 1990 with Angelica Huston??? I loved it as a kid. I think it probably holds up.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-11 06:47 am (UTC)(link)


(whispers into the night: angelica huston)

(Anonymous) 2017-05-11 03:49 pm (UTC)(link)
YAY!! such a crazy pants movie I'm glad I can spread awareness of it.
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[personal profile] greghousesgf 2017-05-11 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Late to the party here, but Charlie shouldn't have taken the fizzy lifting drinks and Grandpa Joe was a jerk for talking him into it.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-11 05:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but the time to bring that up would have been immediately following the infraction. The "Gotcha" game Wonka plays at the end is a dick move. However, it was intended to be a dick move because it was Charlie's final test: Will he still keep his word even if Wonka turns out to be a malicious asshole? Charlie passed, and lived happily ever after.

Grandpa Joe's just a jerk in general, though. If Charlie's mother had known that all it would take is a field trip and some chocolate to get the man's ass out of bed, she probably would have saved up for it so she'd have one less bedpan to clean.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-11 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
There is a Witches movie and it is definitely the most sinister of them all.