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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-07-11 07:16 pm

[ SECRET POST #3842 ]


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(Anonymous) 2017-07-11 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Eh. Shower scenes are intrinsically intrusive into characters' fictional privacy at a vulnerable moment. If you're into the privacy invasion and vulnerability thing, w/e, your kink, but IDK if "hot when wet" is telling the whole story here for why there are so many shower scenes especially of female characters.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-11 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not telling the whole story, but it is legitimately a part of that story. "Privacy invasion and vulnerability" isn't telling the whole story either.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-11 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't say it was the whole story, I suggested them as additional reasons people enjoy shower scenes other than hot when wet, as well as why there were so many of them.

Beach scenes and rain scenes are also "wet" scenes, but showers have the privacy thing on top whereas the former two generally don't.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-11 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
But OP never suggested that "people look hot when wet" was telling the whole story. And you also sort of hinted at - if not outright suggesting - the idea that OP was actually in it for the privacy invasion and vulnerability. I don't know why else you'd say that bit about "if you're into the privacy invasion and vulnerability thing, w/e, your kink".

Beach scenes and rain scenes are also "wet" scenes, but showers have the privacy thing on top whereas the former two generally don't.

This isn't related to the other point I'm making, it's just something I thought of, but: it's really interesting to me the way that the filmic treatment of wetness and water generally tends to differ across those three scenarios. Because they're filmed in totally different ways that suggest totally different and ideas.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-11 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh I see what happened. I wasn't accusing OP in the specific, it was the general "you" w/r/t how shower scenes are filmed and how the privacy and vulnerability were relevant especially to the female characters. Since they're portrayed as "sexy" scenes almost all the time.

Whereas someone standing in rain, while wet, isn't.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-11 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, someone standing in the rain definitely *can* be. It just usually isn't shot that way, but it's definitely doable.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-11 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
While true, the point was that almost nobody chooses to do it that way. So it can't simply be the fact that some people are "hot when wet" that drives the prevalence of shower scenes especially to female characters. If the general you are into that then again, w/e, your kink, but like, take in consideration that shower scenes are filmed to be voyeuristic and "sexy" and it's not just wetness.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-11 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Sure sure.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-11 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Lol

(Anonymous) 2017-07-12 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
Oglaf is so delightful.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-12 04:13 am (UTC)(link)
What is this conversation? "Invading the privacy" of fictional characters? So it's morally objectionable now to read a story with sex or bathing in it because the imaginary people in the story will feel bad?

I don't understand the world anymore.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-12 05:43 am (UTC)(link)
If you have a trope that relies on a character being portrayed as vulnerable and helpless in a way that's implicitly erotic - which is AYRT's argument - and where that trope is consistently used with female subjects much more than male subjects, then yeah, I think there's something negative about that trope and the associations it engenders. Not because it's unfair to the fictional characters involved but because of what it implies about how we, socially, see the world, tell stories about the world, and ultimately understand the world.

I don't know where this idea that anyone is concerned about the privacy of fictional characters comes from. It is a frankly fucking ludicrous strawman. It's extraordinary and baffling in the extreme.
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[personal profile] kaijinscendre 2017-07-11 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Whenever I see sex scenes in showers, I remember the time I almost broke an arm just getting into one. And I wish there were more shower sex scenes that end in people slipping mid thrust.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-12 02:48 am (UTC)(link)
I always think about how most places I've lived had the shower in a bathtub, so you've got constricted space and the edges of the "floor" curve up...

(Don't grab the little bar over the soapdish, though!)
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[personal profile] tabaqui 2017-07-12 02:48 am (UTC)(link)
Heeeeee! I've had sex in a shower. It is just not fun. Water washing the lube away, not enough room, somebody is always cold, slippery....

It's really a sort of masochistic thing, which is why i'm happy to say i'm never doing it again. :)
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[personal profile] nightscale 2017-07-12 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
I don't particularly find wet people sexy so shower-scenes just make me worry about the people in question slipping and falling over.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-12 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
NGL seeing Brody and Raven in the shower in CSI: Cyber was kind of a hits-a-kink-I-sort-of-have hot thing to see.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-12 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
What show is the background from?