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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-07-14 06:43 pm

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[personal profile] kaijinscendre 2017-07-14 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I hate ambiguous endings in most movies because I am that kind of person. Though, it is a very specific ambiguity that I hate (that I also can't explain).

(Anonymous) 2017-07-15 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
Same here. Though I can identify 'Ambiguous Ending With Possible Endings But They Are ALL DEPRESSING' as being pretty horrible.
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[personal profile] dahli 2017-07-14 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
For me it depends on how it's done, but I think in horror movies endings can either be hit or miss sometimes. In VVitch it made sense the way it ended because it was based on the beliefs of the people at the time.

Also ditto on being the scaredycat of the group. Who knew I would grow up to be the horror fan while my friends would become the scaredy cats themselves?

(Anonymous) 2017-07-15 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
Liking or not liking horror films is nothing to do with bravery, though I'm sure it's comforting to you to tell yourself that. Bravery in real life is the only bravery that counts.
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[personal profile] dahli 2017-07-15 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, yeah. But I mean I used to actively walk out of the room whenever something horror-related used to come out even in conversations, would be scared out of my socks thinking there was a monster under my bedroom to the point where I couldn't sleep... so on and so forth.

Nowadays I genuinely enjoy horror and actively seek horror movies myself. You could say it's a way of coping with it.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-14 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm almost the opposite, Anon. I like a little ambiguity, a little uncertainty at the end of my horror. I like having an idea of the backstory, like in The Orphanage, but the thing I hate the most is when they kill the entire mood with a terrible and completely implausible "scientific" and "rational" explanation that isn't even good science. Just let supernatural stuff be supernatural!

But yeah, there is ambiguity that is lazy and sloppy too, like they just couldn't figure out how to end it.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-14 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
What was the obvious answer? Spoiler alert for others who may not want to find out...

(Anonymous) 2017-07-14 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
That the family really was bewitched and that it was in fact a witching completely true to 17th century ideas of witchcraft. And that Thomasin chose to sell her soul at the end to Black Philip, who really was the Devil.

There are so many theories online that the whole movie is Thomasin losing her mind in the wilderness and just killing her whole family. That every witch thing is a delusion and so forth. And props to the filmmakers for one very cool incredibly esoteric clue -- the corn is ruined by ergot, which is a theory (albeit a fairly weaksauce one) some people have about the afflicted girls in the real-life Salem witch trials -- that their afflictions were brought on by ergot poisoning, which supposedly can cause hallucinations in large quantities.

But I don't see Thomasin eating the poisoned corn or even be the one in the family most likely to snap and murder everyone. So yeah, I like it best when it is in fact an actual witching, accurate to period literature.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-14 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Gotcha, thanks! I'll have to watch this movie, it sounds interesting.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-15 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
That's an interesting theory! I have so much love for this movie it's unreal. It topped anything ekse I saw that year in terms of atmosphere and acting. I passed it to my dad who's a fellow horror fanatic and was really disappointed when he just found it dull.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-15 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
People did eat ergotized grain if there was nothing else available. There was a kind of brinksmanship involved: if you had a choice between losing a limb to gangrenous ergotism or starving, you might eat the ergotized bread and take the risk. Similarly, if you could get hold of non-infested grain and get the proportions of ergotized to clean grain just right, you might get away with a few hallucinations. It's been suggested that the French peasants of tho Sologne, where rye was a staple and ergotism was endemic, were practiced at this. On the other hand, as you say, Linda Caporael's theory that ergotism was responsible for the Salem witch panic has been more or less exploded.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-15 03:53 am (UTC)(link)
I hate the ergot theory for Salem because it discounts absolutely everything else that was going on societally in the village.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-15 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it's horribly reductive. And then Mary Matossian took it and ran with it and blamed practically everything from the Jacquerie to the Great Awakening on ergot.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-14 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I liked the whole look and atmosphere of the movie but thought the ending was a bit underwhelming. I, too, love to find out the origin of the horror/mystery, but it depends. Sometimes more ambiguous endings work better, IMO.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-15 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not the biggest horror fan but I am fascinated by horror monster designs so I like when there's a concrete picture I can look up. And I agree for ambiguous endings in anything. They're in sci-fi movies, which I do watch, and I don't like that. I want to know what happened. I don't want it to be a debate.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-15 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
I'm of two minds about this as a huge horror fan. I think the Witch pulled off the explanation really well without spoon-feeding it to the audience. However I'm getting a bit tired of the "explanation" in most horror movies usually being the same old montage of someone flipping through old books or newspaper archives or Google searches with slow-motion zoom ins, and voila, everything's laid out. It just feels lazy and it pops up so much in horror.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-15 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
Well aren't you fucking special, OP.

I sometimes prefer ambiguity when it comes to horror.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-15 04:57 am (UTC)(link)
I liked the original Halloween - he's evil because... he's evil. Jaws just wants to attack people. In the original Nightmare on Elm Street, they explain why he's going after those particular kids, which is fine but they don't really say why Freddie is a child killer - later in the series, I didn't really care for the 'son of 100 maniacs' backstory.

On the other hand, the reason for the original Poltergeist really worked for me. And in Silver Bullet, the rationalizations about why people were attacked and killed were pretty interesting.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-15 08:19 am (UTC)(link)

Not sure is exactly the same sentiment, but when it comes to explanations - maybe the actual scene was the classic "discovery of old newspapers" decried a few anons above, but in the original REC movie - the fact that it wasn't "just" a zombie virus but possibly supernatural/demonic in origins, that just made the whole thing so incredibly worse and utterly terrifying to me.

(Anonymous) 2017-07-16 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
As the anon who made the "old newspapers" comment; I agree with you that REC was another movie that handled it ridiculously well. After spending the whole time expecting it to be some zombie epidemic, finding out that it's supernatural, and the end scene with that tall thing with the hammer gave me nightmares for weeks. I guess it's just down to how it's executed.
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[personal profile] arcadiaego 2017-07-15 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I like both approaches to be honest, but I did like that fact that The Witch just said from the start that yeah, there really is a witch, she's killing babies, now let's get on with things. I was NOT PREPARED for [spoiler] to talk though, probably because I'm used to movies not fully explaining things!