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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-08-07 06:24 pm

[ SECRET POST #3869 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3869 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2017-08-07 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
That person is also wrong when they say "attraction to male and female genders" bisexuality is about being attracted to both SEXES regardless of gender, so it's completely within the scope of bisexuality to date either trans and/or cis.

Whether or not a cis/trans bisexual person wants to date a trans person is a whole other thing. But I don't like this current trend of saying SEXuality is about gender attraction, it's not, sex is in the name for a reason.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
Uhhh, no that's not what bisexuality is either. It's commonly defined as attraction to the same and different genders, or occasionally attracted to two or more genders. Sex has nothing to do with it.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Commonly and accurately are two different things. The problem with defining sexuality by gender is it leads to a lot of harassment of homosexuals who are solely same-sex interested.

If you want to define attraction by gender you need separate terms that don't have SEX in the word.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
I mean, I think that when a large chunk of bisexuals start using those definitions for their sexuality then it becomes accurate... But okay sure.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 05:32 pm (UTC)(link)
calm down terf nonny, no one's forcing you to like trans women

(Anonymous) 2017-08-09 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
Can you please not act like there aren't shitty people who expect us to disregard sex even though we're only attracted to one sex? Like. That is a thing.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-09 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
there are people like that

there are also people obsessed with the idea of people like that existing and pretending as if it's a massive societal issue.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-07 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
This is why I'm convinced anyone who calls themselves "pansexual" is a twat. It just sounds so up your own ass. Like "I love people for ~who they are~ not their ~genitals~" or something. And also it frequently ends up meaning "I am ~willing to date a trans person~" as though trans people are somehow excluded from heterosexual or homosexual relationships.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-07 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Well...strictly sex-speaking, many are. Sexuality is about more than gender.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 05:33 pm (UTC)(link)
arcadiaego: The 12th Doctor and Clara hold hands. (Twelve)

[personal profile] arcadiaego 2017-08-08 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
Time Lords would use any of these terms because they're Time Lords and probably wouldn't understand wtf we were going on about.

(And yes, I'm sick of the double standards towards the etymology as well.)

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
Pansexuality is just another meme sexuality, a special snowflake bullshit.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 04:37 am (UTC)(link)
you might cut yourself on your edge, careful

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 11:50 am (UTC)(link)
Pansexuality is fucking dumb, just like any other of your beloved bullshit sexualities. Deal with it, snowflake.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
Urrrrgh, I totally agree with you about sanctimonious pan head canons. I'm sick of people who aren't bisexual trying to define my sexuality. I had someone once tell me I wasn't bisexual, i was pan, like no I know my sexuality more than you. And there are many different reasons people choose to use the bi or pan labels and blech :\

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
*facepalm* Bisexual means attraction to people who are your gender, and to people who are not your gender. Since the original two were homo - same, and hetero - different.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 04:16 am (UTC)(link)
I have never related to a secret more.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 05:18 am (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty good at not letting other fans harsh my squee just because they're dicks, but yeah.

(Also, deep down in my most cynical heart of hearts, I believe that "pansexual" was invented to that people could say they like more than one gender but they're not like those icky bisexuals.)

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 10:12 am (UTC)(link)
(I can't help it, every time I hear "pansexual" I flash on people who are only attracted to the Greek god Pan.

So, basically, furries.)

(Anonymous) 2017-08-09 07:28 am (UTC)(link)
That's actually where it came from originally. A bunch of self-hating bi folks that didn't want the scary trans folks after them.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 06:10 am (UTC)(link)
I've never met a self-declared pansexual who was not either a) up their own ass or b) some kind of furry or otherkin. Oh, or c) thought a threesome would be nice and me not wanting to engage in sexual activity with men was close-minded.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-08 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
This argument is dumb on both sides. Under almost all circumstances bi and pan mean exactly the same thing, and anyone who insists otherwise is being silly. Like, I'm saying this as someone who uses them both pretty much interchangeably for myself. If someone prefers one or the other for themself, that's cool, but when people start whining about the terms other people are using, it's obnoxious. That goes both ways. Like, I and most of the people I know who call themselves bisexual define it as attraction to people of two or more genders, so it's annoying when people say that being attracted to trans/nonbinary people necessarily means pan and not bi. But I also find it really fucking obnoxious when people whine about other people deciding to call themselves pan, (@ other comments on this secret) when I'm just trying to be slightly more specific about like what kind of bi I am.
Basically, everyone who whines about people's choice of saying pan/bi is annoying and should cut it out.

(And anyway, it's inaccurate to call Time Lords bisexual OR pansexual, because OBVIOUSLY they're asexual and bi/pan romantic. Looms FTW. :p )

(Anonymous) 2017-08-09 03:20 pm (UTC)(link)
come on though, it's totally unrealistic that if regeneration can cause changes as drastic as gender, their sexual orientations would remain exactly the same in every incarnation.