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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2021-12-10 05:31 pm

[ SECRET POST #5453 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5453 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2021-12-10 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Personally, I relate more to the characters, who have no powers or special talents, and have to learn to see a worth in themselves even without those things. It resonates with me, as a person who always had an interest in art, but was told by everyone that I don't have a talent for it.

(Anonymous) 2021-12-10 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
to me, there's a difference between the vague 'worth in yourself' and the 'succeed in spite of having no powers' because...well, to use your example, just because you end up not making it as a professional artist doesn't mean there aren't 20 other ways to define success, and even then, if you find no success or even value in attempting to learn to be an artist, you're still a perfectly lovely and worthy person - just not an artist. It's hard to be encouraging and realistic at the same time.

not saying you can't still relate to the unpowered people, I just feel like most of the time the story's result is contradictory to the overall idea that everyone has value. but then, there wouldn't be a point to making one person the oddball compared to the in-group if the point wasn't to make their oddballness the ultimate reason they win.

(Anonymous) 2021-12-11 08:49 am (UTC)(link)
How am I not an artist? I make art == I'm an artist. I may not be a particularly good artist, my work may never win awards, but I'm still an artist.

(Anonymous) 2021-12-11 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
For me personally, as someone who has always wanted and envied talents that I can never have, this is how I feel (forgive the gen Z memeplate):

Broke: Main character wants powers but has none; learns to be satisfied with that.
Woke: Main character wants powers but has none; gets some.

There aren't nearly enough of these kinds of stories where the moral isn't "but you're great for being you!" and the characters actually get what they want.

(Anonymous) 2021-12-11 04:34 am (UTC)(link)
there are lots of those stories... in shounen anime.

(Anonymous) 2021-12-11 07:20 am (UTC)(link)
This has become what I believe is called a Cyclical Trope (at least in TV Tropes terms). What you're calling Woke is not a new idea, it's a very basic kind of story that your Broke was invented in order to subvert. Except it became subverted so much that the subversion has become the default, and we're starting to think the original version would be fresh and subversive instead.

(Anonymous) 2021-12-11 08:48 am (UTC)(link)
> Woke: Main character wants powers but has none; gets some.

Except that happens all the time? Another anon mentioned shounen anime, but this trope also exists in western media. The kid from Hotel Transylvania, who spends the entire movie being treated poorly for not being a vampire gets last minute vampire powers and saves the day. Or Vanya from the Umbrella Academy, who believes her whole childhood to be the only kid in her family without powers, but it turns out she's probably the most powerful of them all.

Movies with a message that it's ok to not be gifted, or to enjoy something without having to be the best in the world in it, are actually very rare.