Er, sorry, I'm not sure whether you're criticizing me for being too wordy (in which case fair enough - it's what I do when I'm not thinking about my posts) or whether you think that I'm criticizing you. If it's the second thing, I should clarify that I was wondering about why the men you were talking about do the thing you were talking about, not why you were expressing an opinion about them. I agree with you that men do this thing, it's just never made sense to me why they do it. Sorry if I didn't make that clear!

and, I mean, I get that on some level it's psychological and societal-expectations, but it just seems so obviously fallacious and self-defeating. And if it's a conscious lie, it's just so obviously going to be proved wrong that it just seems pointless.