In the animal kingdom, females are often the sex to be more powerful, physically and culturally. And I will admit that there is misogyny throughout recorded history. But that's not "always," and while it's a long-ass time and more than enough to give cause for concern, I simply meant that everything starts SOMEWHERE.
Are you fucking kidding me. I mean, seriously, I am being as civil as possible but ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME. You are using examples from.. animals, in a discussion about sexism in human society. Are you fucking kidding me. You have to be. I can't accept that this is not trolling. This is way, way inappropriate. You can't say that sexism hasn't been around pretty much forever because some female animals are stronger than the males of their species. Not LEAST because which sex is stronger in animals has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO with how human women are TREATED, culturally and societally. An argument could be made that women are stronger than men (as they go through childbirth, which would actually physically kill a biological man if they went through it). That doesn't change how they are treated and how they have been treated throughout history. Your analogy is honestly disgusting, and your entire comment there attempts very clearly to downplay and dismiss the very real, very significant impact of sexism throughout history. I mean, seriously, "but that's not always"? IT'S FUCKING CLOSE ENOUGH. omg.
And this is what I mean when I say that hate is never okay, regardless of the historical background, and that people should be treated as individuals.
No, seriously, even on an individual level, MEN WILL NEVER EVER EVER BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST ON THE LEVEL THAT WOMEN ARE, FOR BEING MEN. EVER. (Obviously intersecting factors such as race, sexual orientation, etc. will change overall levels, but not on the sex scale.) Again, please stop trivializing the experiences of women who have experienced misogyny by equating so-called "misandry" to misogyny.
And it doesn't seem fair to hold ALL men responsible for the experiences someone had
It isn't "fair." It's generally not a logical reaction; reactions to great traumas rarely are. I'm not claiming it's "fair." But it is justified, and their feelings are valid.
Re: Are there any men watching?
Are you fucking kidding me. I mean, seriously, I am being as civil as possible but ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME. You are using examples from.. animals, in a discussion about sexism in human society. Are you fucking kidding me. You have to be. I can't accept that this is not trolling. This is way, way inappropriate. You can't say that sexism hasn't been around pretty much forever because some female animals are stronger than the males of their species. Not LEAST because which sex is stronger in animals has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO with how human women are TREATED, culturally and societally. An argument could be made that women are stronger than men (as they go through childbirth, which would actually physically kill a biological man if they went through it). That doesn't change how they are treated and how they have been treated throughout history. Your analogy is honestly disgusting, and your entire comment there attempts very clearly to downplay and dismiss the very real, very significant impact of sexism throughout history. I mean, seriously, "but that's not always"? IT'S FUCKING CLOSE ENOUGH. omg.
And this is what I mean when I say that hate is never okay, regardless of the historical background, and that people should be treated as individuals.
No, seriously, even on an individual level, MEN WILL NEVER EVER EVER BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST ON THE LEVEL THAT WOMEN ARE, FOR BEING MEN. EVER. (Obviously intersecting factors such as race, sexual orientation, etc. will change overall levels, but not on the sex scale.) Again, please stop trivializing the experiences of women who have experienced misogyny by equating so-called "misandry" to misogyny.
And it doesn't seem fair to hold ALL men responsible for the experiences someone had
It isn't "fair." It's generally not a logical reaction; reactions to great traumas rarely are. I'm not claiming it's "fair." But it is justified, and their feelings are valid.