My point was that if people are saying that Jpop/Kpop is better/deeper, what they virtually always mean is that it has deeper themes/the artists have more say in creating it/it's less homogenous. But it's not. It's objectively not.
Well, I agree with that point, really. I don't think that Jpop/Kpop are different on a fundamental level from Western pop music. But that's not really the thing in your post that I was disagreeing with (nor is your personal dislike for pop music; taste is taste). What I'm disagreeing with is the stuff about pop music being manufactured, terrible, about terrible topics, banal, dull, repetitive, etc. Pop music can be and often is good music. If it sounds repetitive to you, that's not the same as it being repetitive.
And with all due respect, if your defense of the validity of personal taste is "It's all just personal taste! It's fine if you're an idiot who likes to listen to the same awful, shitty melodies constantly repeated", that's kind of BS. I also think that it's unfair to define anything that you like or that's successful out of pop music (re: your other posts) - it doesn't stop being pop music just because it's well written or thoughtful, any more than stuff from the 80s and 90s that you liked stops being pop music. Ke$ha is not the sum total of pop music.
Basically what I'm getting at here is that pop music can be good and there is nothing wrong with liking it, because some of it is good. It's not intrinsically shit, it's not all repetitive. If some of it is repetitive shit, some of it isn't. Pop music is not the enemy.
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Well, I agree with that point, really. I don't think that Jpop/Kpop are different on a fundamental level from Western pop music. But that's not really the thing in your post that I was disagreeing with (nor is your personal dislike for pop music; taste is taste). What I'm disagreeing with is the stuff about pop music being manufactured, terrible, about terrible topics, banal, dull, repetitive, etc. Pop music can be and often is good music. If it sounds repetitive to you, that's not the same as it being repetitive.
And with all due respect, if your defense of the validity of personal taste is "It's all just personal taste! It's fine if you're an idiot who likes to listen to the same awful, shitty melodies constantly repeated", that's kind of BS. I also think that it's unfair to define anything that you like or that's successful out of pop music (re: your other posts) - it doesn't stop being pop music just because it's well written or thoughtful, any more than stuff from the 80s and 90s that you liked stops being pop music. Ke$ha is not the sum total of pop music.
Basically what I'm getting at here is that pop music can be good and there is nothing wrong with liking it, because some of it is good. It's not intrinsically shit, it's not all repetitive. If some of it is repetitive shit, some of it isn't. Pop music is not the enemy.