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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-05-11 06:48 pm

[ SECRET POST #3781 ]

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[personal profile] fscom 2017-05-11 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
[The Magnificent Seven (2016 remake)]

(Anonymous) 2017-05-11 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
You realise the 'spwcial effects' in classic westerns involved people on horseback doing amazing feats of trick riding that contemporary movie makers would be hesitant to do because of liability issues, right?

As for scenery ... some of the old Autry movies were rather pretty.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-11 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Animal cruelty, more likely. Movie stunts haven't necessarily gotten less risky with time, IMO.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-11 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that's mostly fair, but I can't agree with regards to looks and cinematography. Say what you will about the other aspects but some of those old Westerns are just extraordinarily gorgeous - especially the John Ford ones. What a fucking legend of a director. And then a lot of the 70s ones are quite gorgeous as well in a very different way.

Of course there are also plenty that were just ugly, but a lot of the appeal of the genre is aesthetic to me, and I don't think the central aesthetic appeal has really changed. Gorgeous landscapes well shot

(Anonymous) 2017-05-11 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe it's just me but while the landscape shots in old westerns are lovely, the film quality doesn't always do it justice. Not the way modern technology can, anyway.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-11 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it does it justice in different ways. but even if you prefer the modern shots of stupendous fucking mountains, John Ford's shots are still gorgeous shots of stupendous fucking mountains.

Actually I think the best looking westerns were the 70s ones, but still.

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(Anonymous) 2017-05-11 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, some of the Spanish and Italian ones had some good cinematography and great music. I don't even like Westerns as a genre, but the European ones had some good artistry.

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[personal profile] rivia 2017-05-11 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
i don't see how that's a terrible thing to think tbh

(Anonymous) 2017-05-11 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I really want to see this movie because I love the old M7 and the actors. However, I have found I'm not terribly fond of newer Westerns because they're too grim-dark. A lot of the spark of the old Westerns is missing. I am hoping the new M7 captures some of the old spirit.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-11 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I've never seen the old M7, but I don't think the remake is too grim. It's not a super happy movie or anything, but there are elements of humor to it. Warning for multiple character deaths, though.

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[personal profile] ketita 2017-05-11 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm. I'm not sure I'd argue that modern films have better cinematography than older films... most blockbusters' cinematography isn't particularly impressive, imo.
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[personal profile] j_lunatic 2017-05-11 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Depends on which older westerns you mean. Some were prestige pictures, made by the studios' higher-end actors, directors, and cinematographers. Other were B-quality or poorer, turned out on the cheap to subsidize the A-list productions. And if you're talking about the sort of Poverty Row titles that survive only in well-worn 16mm TV prints, they can look pretty dire next to modern digital productions.

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[personal profile] sabotabby 2017-05-11 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I love old Westerns—in particular spaghetti Westerns that get away with the kind of social commentary Hollywood couldn't do these days, and couldn't then either—but I hear ya on wishing it were still a popular genre. In particular, I saw a Red Western called Sons of the Great Bear that I'm desperate to see a remake of with an indigenous cast and preferably with Quentin Tarantino directing because the end is basically a revenge murder spree and the original doesn't have nearly enough blood.

But you can't beat the old ones for cinematography. Film pacing just doesn't work the same way anymore, and the result is way less screentime given to gorgeous landscapes and slow-burning plots.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-12 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
I love westerns & while I do wish they'd really make a come back, I'm perfectly happy with the look & feel of the older ones (mostly).

(Anonymous) 2017-05-12 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
There are plenty of great old Westerns! Why don't you like them?

(Anonymous) 2017-05-12 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
The reasons are heavily implied in the context of the secret, aren't they?

(Anonymous) 2017-05-12 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
I'm the same. Old movies are too slow for my taste and just bore me to death, but I love Westerns as a genre. I want more things like the 3:10 to Yuma or the Magnificent Seven remake.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-12 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
Same. I want to like older movies but the pacing often gets to me. It's not like I have a teensy attention span, I swear. But I like an action movie to tick along at a decent pace.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-12 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
tbh the movies with the best cinematography that I can think of have all been old movies. I'm not saying this trying to be an elitist snob, I don't really care either way, but modern cinematography, by and large, has never wowed me the way older movies have. Back then it seemed to be more of an artform unto itself rather than simply a way of making the story clear as it is with modern cinematography.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-12 03:34 am (UTC)(link)
I think it would be fair to say that art cinema and popular cinema have separated a good fair bit since the old days

Course there are still some fucking well directed and shit movies out there, but it's definitely a little more complicated finding it

For cinematography, I would recommend

(Anonymous) 2017-05-12 04:25 am (UTC)(link)
Legends of the Fall - it's not quite Western, set in Montana in the early 20th century. The plot is okay, but the scenery is amazing - it was filmed mostly in Canada.

A River Runs Through It - also set around the same time in Montana (though actually mostly filmed there), also has Brad Pitt, is fairly slow-moving, but it has such pretty shots.

Both really stand out to me as having good cinematography.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-12 06:13 am (UTC)(link)
I really, really enjoyed the Magnificent Seven remake. Watching Denzel in Yul's role was stupendous. Not to be shallow but he really inhabited the role strutting around hipshot in that all black outfit wearing those six-shooters.

It was also nice seeing the lack of casual racism so prevalent in older Westerns. Where there is racism, it's intentional, i.e. you know Jack Horne has it in for Red Harvest just based on him being a Comanche. But they develop a mutual respect eventually, sorta.

Plus, humor and pacing are so different these days, it's kind of hard to watch older films now. Some directors, like the Coens and Wes Anderson, still like to build slow. I'd love to see a vintage Western by Wes.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-12 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)
The nonchalant diversity of the cast was one of the underrated good things about this movie.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-12 06:34 am (UTC)(link)
The new Magnificent 7 was a piss poor imitation of a Western though. It also completely lost the point of M7 - the flimsy line between good and evil. It was shite in other words.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-12 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Nah. Perhaps it lacks that aspect of the original, but that in itself doesn't make it a bad movie anymore than the original M7 being an imperfect adaptation of Seven Samurai makes the original M7 a bad film.

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