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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-09-10 04:02 pm

[ SECRET POST #3903 ]

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[personal profile] fscom 2017-09-10 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
[Guardians of the Galaxy 2]
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[personal profile] morieris 2017-09-10 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree...I was like "So Peter realize that Youdu's dickish parenting was done out of love, but so what since he dies?"

Sure Peter could reminisce with the Ravagers and talk it through with Gamora or something but do you really expect the third movie to do that? Even a little?
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[personal profile] esteefee 2017-09-10 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah it felt like a cheap emotional payout and a waste of a strong character and possibilities.

OTOH Gamora and Nebula's whole arc had some real meat and I was so moved by their working some of their issues out.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-10 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
100% agreed. I was happy that Gamora and Nebula explored their difficult relationship, but Yondu's death just felt like a waste. He's one of the more interesting characters and there was so much potential. I don't think the pathos of his death was worth it.
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[personal profile] anarchicq 2017-09-10 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
What I felt...forced...was the ending shot of Rocket shedding tears over Yondu. Like..what?

Lindsay Ellis did a good video essay about GOTG2 about abuse and parenting and family which sort of put it into perspective but still I found that to be a weird note to end on.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-10 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
TBH I was surprised to see Rocket crying again after Groot's sacrifice.
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[personal profile] ninety6tears 2017-09-10 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
At first I thought he was supposed to be crying over Quill, not Yondu. I would think if the moment worked there would be no doubt, lol.
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[personal profile] emmzzi 2017-09-11 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
ooh that sounds v interesting! googling

(Anonymous) 2017-09-10 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
That's fair.
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[personal profile] nightscale 2017-09-10 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't love or hate the scene but I can agree with this tbh, a bit more showcasing of Youndu trying more and it would have felt a bit more natural.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-10 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly that ending was a little upsetting just because I did have an abusive parent. And I have no doubt she did truly love me, she was just really insecure and fucked up and terrified of me ever leaving her so she hurt me, a lot.

But so many times I've been told it doesn't matter because she loved me and she did the fucked up things out of love. And just... no, that's a horrible way of thinking. So seriously, fuck Yondu getting a free pass for the way he treated Peter because he wuvved him vewwy vewwy much.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-10 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I never understand this way of thinking either. In general, too. Doing horrible things out of love do not in fact make those things in any way less horrible.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-10 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I think this is what bothers me about the situation, too. We're not talking about tough love here. Peter's childhood sounds pretty bad, and sweeping all that under the rug because "Yondu really loved you" just... nah.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-11 02:45 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, my parents weren't abusive in the "locked in my room and corporeal punishment" sense, or even just the "tear down my self-esteem" sense, but they were both addicts and didn't always get the whole "parenting" thing. And I didn't loathe Yondu, but he was a horrible parent. I wasn't sad when he died. Maybe if he'd survived and spent movie 3 realizing he was a shit parental substitute, and (awkwardly) tried to make up for it, and then died, but... no.
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[personal profile] ninety6tears 2017-09-10 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
It's fine if people don't think Yondu is a good enough person to deserve any emotional resolution, but I'm not sure we're supposed to think he wasn't pretty shitty to Peter either way.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-10 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
This seems a bit defensive. The secret says OP would've liked too see emotional resolution for Yondu and Peter, but with slower pacing and better development.
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[personal profile] ninety6tears 2017-09-10 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, that's true. I was kind of responding to the general discussion, not all of which is focused on there being room for improvement.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-11 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
... but nobody is saying that Yondu wasn't a good enough person to deserve any emotional resolution. I see a lot of comments objecting to how the movie downplayed his crap parenting, but most of them support the idea that his death was a waste of a good character, or that if he had to die it would've been better to give him a longer, more credible story arc first.
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[personal profile] ninety6tears 2017-09-11 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm, I think one or two people in this thread definitely seem uncomfortable with him getting any redemption (considering he does die for Peter and has some acknowledgement of his own flaws in the end, you can't say it's a consensus that he doesn't) and are saying it wasn't sad to see him go period, not prematurely. Forgive me for acknowledging those opinions have their place even if I misunderstood them.

My point is that the movie doesn't really ask us to be as forgiving of Yondu as Peter himself is able to be because the bittersweet reality of his upbringing is that he could have ended up with much worse than Yondu after he lost his mom, so the story doesn't really need to earn that emotional resolution in a drawn-out way for me, but I can understand people being put off by the sentimental redemption being achieved in the seemingly easy way.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-10 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Fandom seems to be determined that he was a perfect dad.

(Anonymous) 2017-09-11 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
One drawing doesn't speak for the rest of fandom. Even Yondu fans.
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[personal profile] arcadiaego 2017-09-11 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought the film was completely lacking in character depth, and Peter is a complete charisma black hole and yet...that line got to me. I guess Michael Rooker is just a very good actor. I got annoyed with myself because there was literally no build up to it all!