[ SECRET POST #2677 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2677 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Scribbler]


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02.
[bioshock infinite: burial at sea]


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04.
[True Detective]


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08.
[fire emblem/super smash bros]


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10.
[World of Warcraft]


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12. [SPOILERS for Hannibal]



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13. [SPOILERS for Bioshock: Infinite]



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14. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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15. [WARNING for rape/abuse I'm assuming? Ramsay/Theon stuff]
http://i.imgur.com/Xo0GSkI.png



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16. [WARNING for mental illness/hospitals]



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17. [WARNING for depression]



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18. [WARNING for eating disorders]



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19. [WARNING for rape]

[Game of Thrones]








Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't see it as rape until the Internet told me it was; the Lannisters are awful and gross anyway, hate sex in a church isn't beyond them. It seemed to me she was saying no to the location/proximity to Joffrey rather than to Jamie. Granted, she was mad at him and he at her, but she was kissing him back. She kept saying "it's not right," which again made me think it was about the time and place, not her desire. Apparently I watched it wrong, but it seemed like she didn't care about that as much as being seen or, being beside her dead son.

[gondremark]

Yes, but if she says no because of the time and place and not because of the guy, it's still no and that's still rape (though a tad less on the horribleness-of-rape scale, if there is such a thing).

And besides, the notion I got from the scene was that it was indeed rapey, and I didn't stop to consider why she was saying no, because I was too busy going, "yup, those Lannisters are a pack of horrible miscreants" (which is to say, the scene didn't surprise me at all because everyone on the show, especially the Lannisters, are monsters).

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking this. It's still a no and yet Jaime still persists instead of taking her somewhere where she's more comfortable having sex. That's what makes both the scene in the show and book rape to me.

[meganbmoore]

I always read it as rape in the book for largely the same reason. (Only watched the first season of the show.). When someone verbally and physically rejects your overtures of sex and you ignore them and they only "consent" because the alternative (discovery and imprisonment/worse for them, probably exile at best for their surviving children) it's rape, and her "enthusiasm" was her telling him to get it over with already. Why she said no is irrelevant, as is an existing sexual relationship, which is another common defense of the book scene, as is "but Cersei never says it's rape in her POV" which...is going to happen when the person writing a rape scene from the POV of the rapist doesn't think ti's rape.

(Personally, I find GRRM's claims that Cersei was totally "hungry" for Jamie and his choice to describe her physical resistance as "feeble" very telling, and as bad as anything the showrunners said, because he's saying that women who don't fight hard enough and "consent" when they realize they have no alternative just needed a man to ignore their choice until she miraculously realizes that she doesn't know what she wants, but men do.)

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Ayrt

This, just all of this. You put it much better than I did and this is why it baffles me that people think that scene was any better or more consensual than the one in the show Jaime's a fucking rapist imo.


And thank you, I was starting to think I was the only one on this comm who thought it was rape.

[meganbmoore]

When I first started hearing descriptions of how it played out in the show, I honestly thought it sounded like it was mostly the same, but from a universal pov, instead of Jaime's pov. (Then I read the showrunners' comments and some more specific dialogue, so that changed, but...)