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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-05-02 06:39 pm

[ SECRET POST #2677 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2677 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Scribbler]


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[bioshock infinite: burial at sea]


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[True Detective]


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[fire emblem/super smash bros]


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[World of Warcraft]


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12. [SPOILERS for Hannibal]



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13. [SPOILERS for Bioshock: Infinite]



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14. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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15. [WARNING for rape/abuse I'm assuming? Ramsay/Theon stuff]
http://i.imgur.com/Xo0GSkI.png



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16. [WARNING for mental illness/hospitals]



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17. [WARNING for depression]



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18. [WARNING for eating disorders]



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19. [WARNING for rape]

[Game of Thrones]








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Re: This will go unread because timezones, but fuck it, I'm upset.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-03 06:58 pm (UTC)(link)
ayrt

Yeah, I think I was agreeing with you much more than I seemed, and I just kind of failed to bring that across. So apologies on that.

I think what you're saying here is very sensible. To put it another way, maybe - the fact that Germany has studying the Holocaust as a compulsory subject is a good thing. But (a) it should be done in a way that looks at the reality of the Holocaust, instead of turning it into nothing more than a symbol, and (b) the same concept should be extended to other atrocities and especially the same concept should be applied in other countries.

Unfortunately you do run into political problems - not just in terms of not wanting to examine the history and not look to closely, either. I think in a lot of places, for whatever atrocities you want to talk about, there are still strong political lobbies that are actually apologists for whatever happened. The fact that no one in the political mainstream is willing to defend the Holocaust or justify it or minimize it is actually a lot more rare than you'd think. If for instance in America you tried to teach about the extermination of the Native Americans or whatever, there would be significant lobbies against that - shit, there are significant lobbies that want to refer to the Civil War as the War Between The States and talk about how it was the North's fault. If you want to talk about Japanese war crimes in Japan, that's a controversial issue. If you want to talk about the Armenian genocide in Turkey, I think that might actually be illegal. If you want to talk about Britain's long and storied history of colonial oppression there, there's going to be a significant lobby that objects to that. A lot of these things are unfortunately politically "live" in a way that the Holocaust isn't - and that's actually probably a reason it's important to educate people about it in the way you're suggesting here.

Re: This will go unread because timezones, but fuck it, I'm upset.

(Anonymous) 2014-05-03 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I am actually very glad we agree.

This last point is what I tried to allude to by saying we need each other, i. e. global pressure, and that's part of why the Holocaust is politically dead as you said. Or at least denying or even defending what happened gets you into trouble with large parts of the world. I realise this is an ideal and nigh impossible to achieve on a political level right now, or even in the forseeable future, because of the forces in play you mentioned.

It's easy to understand why people want these rewrites of history, and why they'd rather not examine certain parts of it too closely. But it's all the more reason to post about it, isn't it?