[ SECRET POST #2679 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2679 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Kristoff was needed to be in there so Anna could choose her love of her sister over saving herself (with the kiss of true love from Kristoff). He was there to create the dilemma.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay but see.

The movie didn't need that dilemma.

Anna already had Hans as a love interest. Once Anna discovered he was a lying asshole, she could've focused soley on Elsa.

You seriously think the story needed a "oh my god do i choose the hot guy who treated me like dirt half the film or my sister who is currently having a meltdown???" dilemma? That didn't make the story any god damn stronger. The simple act of Elsa saving Anna was enough.

[(Anonymous)]

See, I can understand objections about Kristoff, but without that dilemma there is no sacrifice/ACT of True Love. Because choosing your sister/the dude that sells ice creams/a random piece of lint over the self-serving asshole who TRIED TO KILL YOU isn't an act of love. And if sticking by Elsa was an Act Of Love that could thaw a frozen heart by itself, Anna wouldn't have started freezing in the first place. For the plotline to work, Anna had to take an action which demonstrated love above and beyond everyday sibling affection. Sacrificing her chance of survival (as she saw it, thinking True Love's Kiss was the answer) to save her sister's life was an *action*, and one that wasn't possible without Kristoff's character. And I don't see how you could tweek it and use Hans or Olaf.

[ketita]

Yeah, but wouldn't just being willing to sacrifice her own life by throwing herself in front of the sword be an act of true love too?

Though I guess they needed the tension there because you had to have a countdown, otherwise sacrificing herself when she's already dying wouldn't have had much meaning.... still, I'm pretty sure the plot could have been worked.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought it would have worked out. I mean I thought the scene where Anna was limping over the fjord was plenty tense enough? Instead of a scene where she has to choose Kristoff or Elsa, the scene could have been swapped to Anna worrying if she'll make it in time to save Elsa from Hans before she freezes over.

[ketita]

That's a good point. Or they could have done something where Anna tries to use the freezing itself to save Elsa - like she knows she's dying, but she wants to protect her even in death, and that's the act of true love.

Meh, I'm with the people who really WANTED to like the movie, it just... fell flat.

[(Anonymous)]

In the Japanese trailer, the movie markets it that her going out onto the fjord IS to save Elsa actually. Instead of calling out Kristoff's name, she yells out Elsa's name in the trailer instead and I thought the idea of her desperately going out into the cold to save her sister from murder even though she is literally freezing to death way more dramatic.

I liked the movie actually, but I can completely understand why people didn't. I enjoyed it, but it does have a lot of flaws so I get why people didn't like it. It could have been SO much better than it was. Seriously disappointing. Sigh. :(

[(Anonymous)]

The idea of having to choose between Hot Guy and something else is such a garbage dilemma, though, sorry. It was just Disney being unable t come up with a halfway decent story for the characters and they fell back on the old formula, as much as they tried to pretend that ~this movie is different~.

[applemagpie]

Aw, I'll voice defense for the scene here. I kind of thought the whole choosing to sacrifice herself to save her sister instead of saving herself by receiving her true love's kiss made the scene doubly touching, and also worked as an explicit subversion of the old Disney romance trope that your true love romantic is most important, which was neat.
I mean, I'm pretty sure Kristoff's actual role in the movie was to be a main male character in a ploy to get boys to watch the movie too, but I also don't think his character was completely useless.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed, I thought the fact that she had the chance to save herself and chose to gave it up to save Elsa instead gave it that much more impact. I mean, she was already dying, if she hadn't had Kristoff and the opportunity to save herself the sacrifice wouldn't have meant nearly as much.

[(Anonymous)]

Right. While I was rolling my eyes at the bickering to hide true love trope - I do think that Kristoff was there so Anna could make the choice to save Elsa even though she could have saved herself with a kiss from Kristoff. That was the act of true love - making the choice to put Elsa's survival above her own. If she was going to die anyway - then dying for anyone is not really that much of a sacrifice. It is really only a sacrifice if she thinks she has a way to save to herself but gives that up to save someone else.