[ SECRET POST #2679 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2679 ⌋

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[type_wild]

I thought a lot of his role was to shake her worldview up and teach her that love is about putting someone else's needs before your own wants.

If that was what they meant, then they're being absurdly subtle about it. I mean, compare this to the way he tears into her for the idiocy of getting engaged to a guy you've known for all of six hours: both Kristoff and Elsa chastise her for it, and it comes back to bite her in the ass. There's a moral here for all to see. But the film never comments on Kristoff being particularly selfless; we can only surmise he's not as crude as he seems initially because he treats his friends decently, and there's preciously little selflessness in his initial motive for helping Anna, as above anon points out.

eta: point being: If they wanted Kristoff to teach Anna a lesson about selflessness, then why doesn't he DO it? Why isn't there a song with his family explaining that he's a good guy because he keeps putting others before himself, instead of a song with his family explaining why Anna should ditch her fiancé for him?

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[(Anonymous)]

I didn't find him at all to be a selfless character actually. Anna bribes him to help her in the beginning by buying him the pickaxe and he still doesn't want to go with her immediately in search of Elsa despite the fact that the kingdom is freezing over at the time until she throws him the carrots he wanted. Then he spends the initial part of the journey belittling her for her judgement (which is fair okay, but Elsa had already done that) and then when his sled is destroyed he doesn't go with her immediately. Which is fair okay I could understand him not wanting to go with her after having his life endangered and Anna even states that she understands it if he doesn't want to go with her. What bothered me is that his reason to go with her IS that she can repay him for his sled and he didn't seem bothered at all about the possibility of Anna dying on her trek since his "conversation" with Sven stated "She'll die on her own." "I can live with that." He seemed in it for his business from the entire beginning. Which again, I could understand it since it was his way of life. But he only seemed to be looking out for himself and didn't seem to care that the kingdom was freezing over and that other people could possibly be suffering. When he asks her for what she plans to do and she says "I am gonna talk to my sister" he says "That's your plan? My ice business is riding on you talking to your sister?" and not "The kingdom is riding on that?" He didn't seem very selfless to me. Quite the opposite actually, so if Disney intended him to show Anna about selflessness, they did it poorly IMO.

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[hiyami]

I actually believe they were being semi-subtle about it, yes.
But I seem to recall a lot of lines making quite clear it was their intention.
Maybe I saw the movie with rose-tinted glasses because it was a Disney, but for me when he accepts to help Anna it's not just for the money, it's him pretending to not care but ending up doing the right thing once Anna shows herself to not be the complete brat she's behaved like until then.

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[(Anonymous)]

But he is selfless. He displays it very early on - he barely even knew Anna, yet he was willing to risk his own life to make sure that she and Sven got across that gorge safely. There was a very real possibility that he could have died doing what he did if the sled hadn't made it far enough across for him to jump.

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[(Anonymous)]

I thought the song DID do that, pretty clearly. I have my complaints about the song's timing and such, but I thought it was perfectly clear in conveying Kristoff's character. It actually says "Is it the way he covers up that he's the honest goods?", which underlines (1) his differences with Hans character-wise (see other, more articulate posts about the juxtaposition and why it's relevant to the plotline), and (2) that EVERY time the chips are down he put others before himself without flinching, despite being generally gruff. And you get another example of that like thirty seconds later- he sees her in the trolls wedding garb and is all "Wow, she's gorgeous and I'm obviously developing feelings for her." but doesn't think twice about getting her to Hans despite his own feelings and doubts.