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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-05-09 07:01 pm

[ SECRET POST #2684 ]


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darkmanifest: (Default)

Re: "Fuck tha police"

[personal profile] darkmanifest 2014-05-10 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
I don't want to make him a villain, I seriously doubt he's a cold-blooded killer who was looking for an opportunity. But the very reason I don't think I should be a cop is because I would make mistakes exactly like that; I doubt I'd ever be more capable in life-or-death situations than an average untrained Joe on the street, and cops need to be better than that. My problem with saying "oh, it could have happened to anyone, give the guy a break" is that cops shouldn't be anyone, our standards for police shouldn't be that low. You're right, I probably would be that dumb in a tense situation; hell, I'd probably do worse. I wonder at any screening process is that gives dumb people like me lethal authority.

Like I agreed above, it's more about the system than the individual cop. But maybe part of addressing that system is making it clear that these kinds of screw-ups aren't acceptable, and that there's consequences if you can't do better than to check your weapon. But maybe I'm wrong. I'm not anymore qualified to hold forth on how to fix the system than I am to be a cop.
Edited (added the last paragraph) 2014-05-10 04:55 (UTC)
feotakahari: (Default)

Re: "Fuck tha police"

[personal profile] feotakahari 2014-05-10 05:23 am (UTC)(link)
I guess I don't get what you want the consequences to be beyond two years in jail. I mean, longer prison sentences have not proven an effective deterrent to criminals--it doesn't seem like they would be an effective deterrent to cops.
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Re: "Fuck tha police"

[personal profile] darkmanifest 2014-05-10 05:42 am (UTC)(link)
And yet criminals continue to get longer sentences regardless. It seems a little hypocritical to recognize that it's not effective only in the case of cops. It's frustrating that there is no fix to what he did - a guy is dead, that's that, and nothing done to this cop matters. But something has to be done aside from two years with time served and then he immediately tries to appeal his conviction so he can get right back on the job. If not a longer sentence, I don't know what.
feotakahari: (Default)

Re: "Fuck tha police"

[personal profile] feotakahari 2014-05-10 07:15 am (UTC)(link)
I support shorter criminal sentences and an increased focus on rehabilitation. No hypocrisy there.

As for Mehserle, his conviction was upheld. I don't really believe in justice, so I don't have any investment in making him suffer--truth be told, the idea of trying to balance some kind of cosmic scale by hurting people for hurting other people makes me nervous and queasy. To me, it's enough that he'll never be a cop again. (That's not enough for Grant's family, of course, but what would be? At least they still had one more lawsuit going the last time I checked.)
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Re: "Fuck tha police"

[personal profile] darkmanifest 2014-05-10 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry, not hypocrisy on your part, hypocrisy on the system's part that such considerations only ever apply to certain people, not to all. Nonviolent drug offenders get decades, a cop kills in cold blood and gets months, if that. It's bullshit.

But on the rest, I agree. I try to believe that prison should be for keeping imminently dangerous people away from others until they aren't dangerous, not for punishment, and the fact is that Mehserle isn't likely to ever do this again so long as he isn't a cop. Probably the only thing that would actually help is an overhaul of the system that allows guys like him into power in the first place, that offers no solutions other than a shrug and "what can ya do" when said guys fuck up, like this is the best we can expect.

Thanks for the reasonable discussion.