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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-05-11 03:46 pm

[ SECRET POST #2686 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2686 ⌋

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dethtoll: (Default)

Re: Useless trivia thread

[personal profile] dethtoll 2014-05-11 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Apparently in academic circles the relationship between Nazism and occultism was largely dismissed as pop culture hooey until Nicholas Goodrick-Clark wrote a dissertation for his PhD about it in the early 80s that convincingly argued for links between Ariosophy and Nazi ideology.

Also, I have a copy of the book that thesis eventually became.
Edited 2014-05-11 21:17 (UTC)
nightscale: Starbolt (Marvel: Steve and Bucky)

Re: Useless trivia thread

[personal profile] nightscale 2014-05-11 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
*chin hands*

I am intrigued.
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Re: Useless trivia thread

[personal profile] dethtoll 2014-05-11 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
It basically boils down to segments of a revival of esotericism in the late 1800s/early 1900s mixing with the theosophical movement spearheaded by Helena Blavatsky, who, while technically a pacifist, had a lot of racist and anti-Semitic ideas that resonated in German occult circles. These movements had a lot of connections (and successions) with the later Thule Society (founded in Munich in 1918.) The Society (which didn't allow Jews or "colored" people which back then meant quite a few white people too) believed that the Aryan race were descended from ancient Atlanteans (which they called Hyperborea and thought was a lost landmass near Iceland or Greenland.) Their most important contribution was the sponsoring of a minor Bavarian political party, of which two high-ranking members of the Society were co-founders. No prize for guessing what that party ended up becoming.

The Thule Society is also responsible for the swastika getting ruined for everyone.
nightscale: Starbolt (Marvel: Steve and Bucky)

Re: Useless trivia thread

[personal profile] nightscale 2014-05-11 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I can only nod along and express interest in this. I have no idea why but the whole link between occultism and the Nazi's is something that has fascinated me since I first heard about it.

Do you have a name of this book because I am most interested in checking it out.
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Re: Useless trivia thread

[personal profile] dethtoll 2014-05-11 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
The Occult Roots of Nazism. It's a fascinating book but one I can't really read in public because it has a Thule Society symbol on it with a swastika on and NAZISM in big ominous red letters.
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Re: Useless trivia thread

[personal profile] nightscale 2014-05-11 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you kindly! Ha, yeaaaaaah I can't think of anywhere where reading that in public would go down well.
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Re: Useless trivia thread

[personal profile] dethtoll 2014-05-11 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
It's such an amazingly sinister cover. I actually have to give the cover designer credit for creating something that guarantees you can't read it in public.

I guess it's not that big a deal since it's technically meant to be an academic book anyway...
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Re: Useless trivia thread

[identity profile] mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com 2014-05-12 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
And also ruining the term "Aryan", which, according to things I've read that Tolkien ranted about, is actually the name for a racial group from down in the Pakistan-India area. So Aryans were not actually white-skinned blond types.