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I think that pirating is wrong UNLESS it's a movie, show or music you have absolutely no access to. If my German friend wants to download a show she won't get in her country for another year, fine. I realize these things are expensive, and I think sometimes the definition of "illegal downloading" gets stupid, but people used to just wait until they were able to rent a movie or catch it on TV. No one is entitled to do otherwise now.

Yeah... way to make all my friends hate me...

See, as TV packages are so expensive now, I wish there was a way to watch series for free the first time around. If I want to watch it more, I'd happily buy the DVDs.

I don't download anything anyway, but my friends do.

I wish games would let you try them out before buying. :

Whatever happened to shareware trial versions? I'd never have got into gaming if it hadn't been for those.

Went the way of the dodo around 1998 or so as games started getting more complex and less compartmentalized (remember when everything was divided into episodes?) and demos -- much smaller chunks of a game that could more easily fit on magazine CDs and travel over 56k internet -- started taking over.

Some games do. I think they all should.

As long as it isn't over priced. I think pirating is okay if the property is priced to price gouge or unavailable. There is no reason for books, for example, to have the electronic intangible version priced the same as a hardcopy version. Especially since once you've paid for the hardcopy cover art and typesetting, the e-version is essentially cost free. No logistics chain, no property taxes on storage warehouses, nothing. I'll willingly pay for a hardcopy, but e-books costing more than $2, screw that it is pirate time.

I'll willingly pay for a hardcopy, but e-books costing more than $2, screw that it is pirate time.

Of course people shouldn't be allowed to make a living from their writing. That's completely unacceptable.

And of course you get to decide how much their costs are.

Equally, the consumer is able to make a considered decision abut whether that price is worth paying for for the product.

IDK. If you CAN actually buy the thing and only pirate it because you can, depriving the creator of money, I probably agree.

If, on the other hand, you just won't get it unless you pirate it, you are harming nobody. The creator wouldn't get your money anyway, so you might as well pirate the stuff. Maybe you'll become a fan and make it popular with other people.

Also, sometimes the creators are dead and those benefitting from the product sales aren't the kind of people you'd want to benefit *side eyes the Conan Doyle estate*

AYRT

If, on the other hand, you just won't get it unless you pirate it, you are harming nobody. The creator wouldn't get your money anyway, so you might as well pirate the stuff. Maybe you'll become a fan and make it popular with other people.

Like I said (or thought I said), in those cases I'm fine with it. It's when someone can actually buy it and they're just... not buying it.

Yes, I just thought you were talking solely about the actual impossibility of buying a thing. I include "not having enough money" in the definition of "inability".

*shrug* I could see that argument for things you need, like food. It's harder for me to see that argument for entertainment.

I actually sort of agree with you. I have major issues with people who are well-to-do but are like HEY LOOK I JUST PIRATED THIS MOVIE LET'S WATCH IT

Fuck you, go buy it.

I don't have any money, so I often pirate movies, music, and a lot of comic books. I rarely buy music, and when I do, it's usually in direct support of independent artists (it helps that my tastes have swung towards music that you can find easily on Bandcamp, so I know they get at least most of my money.) The end result is that I become a fan of something, get other people (with more money) into it, and sometimes outright buy my own copy later.

Certain older games, by the way, I own, but I pirate because I can't find the discs or get them working. (I didn't take care of my stuff very well back in my teens.)

Agreed but adding in "if you can't obtain it for a reasonable price." It's especially bad with foreign music, where it can often cost over $50 to import a single CD. I would be happy to buy the tracks in MP3 form, but most of the time they aren't available on the US iTunes or Amazon and Amazon MP3 downloads are region-locked even if you have an account with the corresponding country's version of Amazon.

It pisses me right off because there is zero reason to not allow me to download, say, a Japanese song if I don't live in Japan.

That's something that pisses me off a lot. I would buy all this music (also all those ebooks) but if they're not licensed in my country, tough luck getting them without jumping through hoops, if at all. And shipping is three to 5 times as expensive as the actual product if you place an international order, so... nope. I also pirated several albums because I actually bought the physical copy but couldn't import the music to my mp3 player because the copy protection made the CD unreadable for my PC. So fuck you, I bought for this music, I'll have that music and I will not pay for it again to be able to have a digital version, damn it.

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