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⌈ Secret Post #2686 ⌋

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Comments

[sarillia]

But most of the feminist critiques I see aren't about people doing bad things. It's about having characters and situations that conform to stereotypes and reinforce harmful ideas about marginalized groups.

[kallanda_lee]

I think it depends. If we're talking tings like Hannibal or True Detective, I think a lot of the critique is that women very victimized (quite literally) and were displayed post mortem in elaborate ways. Which, they didn't have to show - but, I do not think it's irrelevant to the plot, atmosphere and story, either. TD was also low on female characters because they went for the whole male cop partner thing.
But, i do not think it's an inherently misogynist show. If anything, I think Marty's problematic interactions with women were shown as a huge character flaw - neither protagonist was truly a "good guy" and that was the point.

A lot of GoT critique is about the rape content lately - and while I do think it's completely valid to use that as means to discus rape and its depiction, I've found two things there that did stand out to me in the discussion that rub me the wrong way.
The first is that other horrible things in the show or books (and I'm talking things like infanticide, crucifixion of children, dismemberment,castration, graphic torture) didn't get anywhere near as much outrage as the rape scenes. Which DOES make me think that people either actively want a double standard in relation to sexual violence, or they just still do not get this is not a happy show and were waiting until it gets better. The second thing is that I think it's realistic to actually show sexual violence in some contexts because realistically it would happen, but people feel like it shouldn't be done because it's "entertainment". And I disagree there,actually.

But maybe you've seen other critiques - I do not actively seek them out personally.

[(Anonymous)]

Regarding TD, I also read someone speculate somewhere that the point of the show was pretty much 'the terrible things men do to women and children'; like, the show made it pretty obvious that the way the men treated the women and girls was terrible, from Marty cheating to everything happening with the kids. I never got why people thought it was misogynistic, because I thought it was purposefully played out that way.

[(Anonymous)]

The main critique I've seen of rape in GoT is that, in real-life historical wars, murder might happen to anyone. Infanticide might happen to anyone. Rape might happen to anyone. But in Got, Murder can happen to anyone, infanticide can happen to anyone, and rape happens almost exclusively to women. So there's this implication that depicting female rape is so awesome they'll sometimes just use it as set dressing, but depicting male rape is somehow taboo. And yeah, that feels a little sexist.

Well, that and women get paraded around naked pretty regularly, but even during sex the dudes are usually not showing anything you wouldn't see at the beach. Which is frankly my biggest complaint. I mean, come on, all those pretty men and nothing?

[beverlykatz]

Most of the stuff with Hannibal is that the cast started out with excellent female representation, all written like real people and not just cut-outs, and then... well, I don't want to spoil anything, but there's a trend. https://31.media.tumblr.com/dcdcd1d39e96df70bd153dd13e21ae8d/tumblr_inline_n5ccnfpmQU1r0p839.png [a chart showing the fates of the lead/recurring characters so far, split by gender; spoilers up through the most recent episode, examine at your own risk]

At least for me, my concern isn't that women are being killed/hurt; it's a crime show, what else is going to happen? And in terms of the regular John/Jane Doe victims they've done a very good job of avoiding really explicit/sexual deaths and "sexy corpses", which a lot of people appreciate. But out of the important/recurring characters who've died or been maimed, it's almost exclusively women. And for a show that's promoted as being very feminist/gender-balanced, that's kind of not good.